Season 4? Or is it over after this?

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enumbs wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:40 pm Lately I’ve been wondering the extent to which this new project (if it is in fact Twin Peaks related) will feel aesthetically and tonally similar to season 3. I’d always assumed any new season would be a radically different beast; perhaps shorter and focussed on a smaller number of characters. Like a lot of people I’d envisioned a kind of continuation of Part 18 in some respects, but I also expected the overall approach to feel as dissimilar from season 3 as that season did to the original series. But with people like Amy Shiels and Balthazar Getty hinting at their involvement, I’m starting to wonder if a fourth season will continue the fragmented narrative approach of its predecessor, jumping between the stories of Red and Shelley, the Mitchums, Janey E and the new Dougie etc.

Could this new series effectively be season 2 of The Return, and if so, would that be a disappointment? As shocking as the slow pace and otherworldly elements of the season 2 premiere were to viewers at the time, it was still largely a continuation of season 1’s approach to mood and storytelling, as one would expect from the sophomore season of a network drama. Is it too much to expect a new season to feel like another Lynch movie entirely, with its own approach to visuals, pacing, and structure? Or would anything less than a total departure be out of character for Lynch at this point in his career?
Great questions. For a while, the one thing that I was "sure" about was that if there was more Twin Peaks, it would be a shorter, tighter affair. I feel that the full 18-hour approach is purposeful and poignant in its documentation of time's passage--it all makes sense (to me). With the core themes of The Return out of the way, I had expected a new season to feel more visceral, different in general.
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madeleineferguson wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:58 pm I’m hopeful that the Reber post means Lynch will again film at the Palmer House in Snoqualmie. Although I wouldn’t put it past him to fly her to LA for filming instead.
I believe the original rumours indicated no sign of Washington shoot dates - but they could have been kept out of that document (assuming the person posting was legit) or not finalized yet. I also wouldn't be surprised, given the pandemic, if Lynch decided to shoot mostly in LA and if this is more Twin Peaks sends crews to Washington for addiitonal footage.
Jerry Horne wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:57 pm Anyway, back to Wisteria, Unrecorded Night and Twin Peaks Season Four.
We're all still wondering if they're one and the same - or not? Let the speculation continue!
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People are bound to go a bit batty and off topic with no new news, especially with the month of May come and gone...

DL himself addressed race head on with the home made Black Lives Matters sign in his weather report for all the world to see, and there was an interview last summer in the Daily Beast -
'Lynch, for his part, says that while “it would be wrong to put someone in a role for any other reason than they are perfect for the part,” he also “understands the frustration if people aren’t welcome to the table.”

https://www.thedailybeast.com/david-lyn ... quarantine

we're all works in progress.

Handmaids Tale Finale for S4 dropped today. Not as obvious and blatant as Walking Dead, but you can tell covid has had implications with production. A lot of solo shots, monologues and tight close ups in Handmaids, people staying respectful distances away, limited crowd shots, empty streets.

edit - found the interview .
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Is it out of the question that Lynch could use footage from the Return in the new series, whatever it is? Does Showtime own that footage, or Lynch?

I could be mistaken, but it would seem to me that one could easily get outdoor drone footage without being noticed. There was a bunch of that in the Return.
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I think footage from the Return would require a licensing fee be paid to Showtime/CBS if not made for Showtime/CBS.

I believe canthaveit posted that he saw the location list pre covid and saw no WA locations.
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Agreed with Jerry. In general we shouldn't spam this thread with things that aren't directly related to "Season 4? Or is it over after this". It would be great to know that if there is activity in the thread it is due to a new development/rumour.
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Pretty sure they've probably been doing tonnes of second unit photography in the meantime. Ads had gone up in the last six months for Snoqualmie, WA shots of b-roll and drone footage that had "director feeding in remotely". Not saying that's Lynch's folks but that it's feasible to do it that way. Wouldn't be surprised if they've been getting as much non-1st unit stuff as possible films in anticipation getting started properly.

They can't use The Return clips without approval from Showtime. Don't think that will be a problem, though.
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I guess for me the main thing with all this social media stuff is that while I don't doubt the sincerity and well-meaning intentions of the folks posting stuff, I do have a healthy amount of skepticism that they have the full context of what this thing actually is, especially given how tight-lipped/secretive David is with even his closest collaborators (i.e. not sharing the full script with starring cast members, talking to Kyle about reprising Cooper in person only, etc.)

In other words, just because Mary Reber was maybe contacted about a Lynch project called Wisteria and is excited to be involved she probably doesn't know how it will fit into the full narrative or what form the final thing will take, as I doubt anybody but Lynch and Sabrina does at this stage. Maybe the Palmer house will literally be used for like b-roll or flashbacks? Or maybe it will be dressed for 1956 and have nothing to do with where P18 left off/the Carrie Page stuff? Or maybe it's one episode in a larger anthology thing with other standalone films that have nothing to do with Twin Peaks? I guess I'm just having trouble buying into assuming it's TP S4, at least not as one would traditionally think of it, picking up exactly where P18 ends, etc. just based on some S3 folks potentially being involved. Especially given the tidbit that Wisteria and Unrecorded Night might be different episodic titles as opposed to one thing. Just for me it's still way too early and ambiguous to really know what eventual shape this thing will take, even if it's TP related/adjacent.
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Ickles wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 3:11 pm I guess for me the main thing with all this social media stuff is that while I don't doubt the sincerity and well-meaning intentions of the folks posting stuff, I do have a healthy amount of skepticism that they have the full context of what this thing actually is, especially given how tight-lipped/secretive David is with even his closest collaborators (i.e. not sharing the full script with starring cast members, talking to Kyle about reprising Cooper in person only, etc.)
Yeah but it feels different this time. Heidi was the first to post wisteria stuff and then doubled down by confirming it is Twin Peaks specifically.*

Why would she say it's Twin Peaks if she doesn't know it's Twin Peaks.


* Sure some might say it's not clear cut as an affirmation because she didn't say the words "I confirm you are right that this is Twin Peaks." But if that's the burden of evidence to hold everything to then even watching the entire series on Netflix won't really provide it.
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Histeria wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 3:13 pm
Ickles wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 3:11 pm I guess for me the main thing with all this social media stuff is that while I don't doubt the sincerity and well-meaning intentions of the folks posting stuff, I do have a healthy amount of skepticism that they have the full context of what this thing actually is, especially given how tight-lipped/secretive David is with even his closest collaborators (i.e. not sharing the full script with starring cast members, talking to Kyle about reprising Cooper in person only, etc.)
Yeah but it feels different this time. Heidi was the first to post wisteria stuff and then doubled down by confirming it is Twin Peaks specifically.*

Why would she say it's Twin Peaks if she doesn't know it's Twin Peaks.


* Sure some might say it's not clear cut as an affirmation because she didn't say the words "I confirm you are right that this is Twin Peaks." But if that's the burden of evidence to hold everything to then even watching the entire series on Netflix won't really provide it.
When did she say that? What exactly did she say?
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Jonah wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 3:16 pm When did she say that? What exactly did she say?
Someone posted a video about her wisteria tweet. They then tagged her on twitter and asked if they were wrong in assuming she's referring to new Twin Peaks or if she wanted to correct his video report/interpretation.

She replied saying: "ONE correction: it's pronounced ANDrea. Otherwise, carry on!"
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Oh, yes, come to think of it I do remember that now that you say it.
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I thought we weren’t going to focus on the actors but on Sabrina?
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yeah, thats a fairly weak confirmation. the only clarification is how her name should be pronounced, and thereby by this being her only correction, that Twin Peaks S4 is official.

I think Woodward and Bernstein actually got some facts wrong in their early reportage by tactics like this, don't say anything if I read this, and knock on the table, type stuff.
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enumbs wrote: Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:40 pm Lately I’ve been wondering the extent to which this new project (if it is in fact Twin Peaks related) will feel aesthetically and tonally similar to season 3. I’d always assumed any new season would be a radically different beast; perhaps shorter and focussed on a smaller number of characters. Like a lot of people I’d envisioned a kind of continuation of Part 18 in some respects, but I also expected the overall approach to feel as dissimilar from season 3 as that season did to the original series. But with people like Amy Shiels and Balthazar Getty hinting at their involvement, I’m starting to wonder if a fourth season will continue the fragmented narrative approach of its predecessor, jumping between the stories of Red and Shelley, the Mitchums, Janey E and the new Dougie etc.

Could this new series effectively be season 2 of The Return, and if so, would that be a disappointment? As shocking as the slow pace and otherworldly elements of the season 2 premiere were to viewers at the time, it was still largely a continuation of season 1’s approach to mood and storytelling, as one would expect from the sophomore season of a network drama. Is it too much to expect a new season to feel like another Lynch movie entirely, with its own approach to visuals, pacing, and structure? Or would anything less than a total departure be out of character for Lynch at this point in his career?
Everyone else seems to have ignored your very interesting post enumbs. In my own imagination, I foresee more Twin Peaks as being pretty darned different to The Return. None of this Wisteria rumouring hints at a similar sort of approach either - although the Rancho Rosa code for The Return is related. In terms of the bright purple colouring and general sense of joy of it all, it suggest a perhaps more uplifting continuation. With Lynch mentioning a lot of romantic 50s music and so on, the melodrama aspect of Twin Peaks seems to be coming back in style, too.

My own feeling is that the tense and dark mood of The Return was leading the way to a change marked in Part 18. There are a variety of fans here who liked or were less favourable to The Return and for them and myself I hope it is a shift into something a little more emotionally heightened. The Return was the doppleganger season. I was very happy that Lynch had returned to directing and of course Twin Peaks, but it really was a showcase of that. It very much felt like Lynch doing a whole lot of what he daydreamed about in his own 'return' and that was a great way for him to get back to filmmaking. However, I do think his future now could take proper shape more.

I know that some fans like Brad D above were not so happy with The Return and as he mentioned that Lynch is a bit of a maverick or was left alone to do as he wished with The Return, I see that as being something of an issue. It is very clear to me that Lynch works best given certain limitations to work within. I can foresee now that being the case. I find it really hard to imagine, post-pandemic (still ongoing in fact) that Netflix is going to offer a HUGE budget and unbounded freedom. In fact, I hope they don't.
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