Part 13 - What story is that, Charlie? (SPOILERS)

[docLEXfisti]

Sounds like the Showtime CEO is very open to another season to me...

[roadkill]

I wonder if 'the Dutchman's' could refer to the place where Carl Struycken's character resides (CS being Dutch)

[writersblock]

I just had a silly question... hopefully someone can answer... how do we know it was part 14 that leaked and not some other part?

Because the corresponding episode title/quote was in there.

I agree that it's Episode 14 - but we have had a situation already off the top of my head where someone has repeated a phrase in another episode that was used as an episode title previously. "Case FIles!"

[Trudy Chelgren]

Opinions;

This Part was so great. I was disappointed with 12's removed atmosphere, and this one was a really beautiful 'people' part. The stuff with Mr C. was intimidating, and scary. Particularly when Ray knew he could get really fucked up by the doppelganger. It seems Mr. C's simple shooting of him was cruel in itself for being so easy and careless. The Lodge was otherworldly; the strange perspective over Ray's body. The ring's purpose is clearer now.

What was so beautiful to see is that among all the existential, multi-dimensional freak-outs in this show, it hasn't forgotten that sometimes the most poignant and scary thing is unrequited love and loneliness. Big Ed brought that humanity, and that stoic resignation. A lot of these characters' lives have branched out, or stagnated, in ways they wish hadn't; Norma's dubious restaurant chain, Becky's disaster of a home life. Or even, the fact that Ed's life hasn't moved in 25 years. Nor James', in a way. He's still singing his same song. Sarah's life hasn't changed at all. One thing I was truly impressed by in Part 12 was the treatment of Sarah, being not entirely sympathetic. There is something to be feared in her behavior. Something not entirely pitiable. I'm worried for Audrey, there's more in her than bitterness. Charlie is creepy as fuck.

That being said, there was some hilarious moments in this Part that really made it; the spastic party/carnival music creased me, the coffee in the urinal.

[Cooperscoffeecup]

Wasnt he also downstairs on the game floor when "Mr Jackpots" was having his winning streak. They were standing there watching him, and asking how many jackpots he had won. Sabrina was in the scene as one of the casino staff.

No, that was a different character: that was the old casino manager that got his crap kicked out of him by the Mitchum brothers.

ah sorry. it seems so long ago now.

[Soolsma]

That's a possibiluty for sure, but then the question becomes at what level do these inaccuracies stop.

Well, they are just humans after all. Sometimes you just want to get on with it

And I bet the Twin Peaks community is probably the most investigative when it comes to analyzing these scenes or TV-shows in general. We are used to guessing

You should check the Mr. Robot subreddit sometimes. It helps that there is an overabundance of easter eggs and ARG's affiliated with the show, but that community does an incredible job.

[docLEXfisti]

You should check the Mr. Robot subreddit sometimes. It helps that there is an overabundance of easter eggs and ARG's affiliated with the show, but that community does an incredible job.

Didn't wanna offend a certain group. Sorry.

[homieonice]

Opinions;

This Part was so great. I was disappointed with 12's removed atmosphere, and this one was a really beautiful 'people' part. The stuff with Mr C. was intimidating, and scary. Particularly when Ray knew he could get really fucked up by the doppelganger. It seems Mr. C's simple shooting of him was cruel in itself for being so easy and careless. The Lodge was otherworldly; the strange perspective over Ray's body. The ring's purpose is clearer now.

What was so beautiful to see is that among all the existential, multi-dimensional freak-outs in this show, it hasn't forgotten that sometimes the most poignant and scary thing is unrequited love and loneliness. Big Ed brought that humanity, and that stoic resignation. A lot of these characters' lives have branched out, or stagnated, in ways they wish hadn't; Norma's dubious restaurant chain, Becky's disaster of a home life. Or even, the fact that Ed's life hasn't moved in 25 years. Nor James', in a way. He's still singing his same song. Sarah's life hasn't changed at all. One thing I was truly impressed by in Part 12 was the treatment of Sarah, being not entirely sympathetic. There is something to be feared in her behavior. Something not entirely pitiable. I'm worried for Audrey, there's more in her than bitterness. Charlie is creepy as fuck.

That being said, there was some hilarious moments in this Part that really made it; the spastic party/carnival music creased me, the coffee in the urinal.

Excellent articulation of some of my thoughts and feelings.

[Dreamy Audrey]

I just had a silly question... hopefully someone can answer... how do we know it was part 14 that leaked and not some other part?

Because the corresponding episode title/quote was in there.

I agree that it's Episode 14 - but we have had a situation already off the top of my head where someone has repeated a phrase in another episode that was used as an episode title previously. "Case FIles!"

But "Case Files" is a very short and normal phrase, and therefore more likely to be reused. The titles for Parts 14-18 are all longer and more specific. They are also more noticeable, so if any of the other remaining titles had been said in the episode, someone probably would have noticed.

[writersblock]

Because the corresponding episode title/quote was in there.

I agree that it's Episode 14 - but we have had a situation already off the top of my head where someone has repeated a phrase in another episode that was used as an episode title previously. "Case FIles!"

But "Case Files" is a very short and normal phrase, and therefore more likely to be reused. The titles for Parts 14-18 are all longer and more specific. They are also more noticeable, so if any of the other remaining titles had been said in the episode, someone probably would have noticed.

I pretty much agree that Episode 14 is the one that was leaked - all I was saying was that it is possible that someone might utter a phrase in more than one episode - in fact I am pretty surprised it hasn't happened more often than it has considering the nature of some of the scenes we have seen,

[Manwith]

I believe Ed's reflecction has NO deeper meaning. That said, I could still be wrong, and the airplane windows could've been screwed with for no apparent reason as well. Maybe Lynch just liked how it looked in postpro and kept it that way?

I agree. I think a lot of the wackier theories here are coming from people who don't understand that art is invented as the artist goes along, Sometimes an odd element could just be covering for something wrong with the footage they had on film. If a boom mic is on the film, for example, they could have to glitch things up to hide the boom mic.

In one of my favorite TV shows, The Larry Sanders Show, occassionally the boom mic is visible over the actors. Clearly they were on a deadline, and they went with the best take they had. There was no deeper meaning.

There's also the possibility Lynch is glitching things to make a subconscous sense of unease, but it has nothing to do with the plot and you aren't supposed to notice it. But I tend to go with the simpler theory that people are reading too much into things or they are just doing something simple like hiding a boom mic in editing and the glitch is a consequence of that.

[Dreamy Audrey]

I pretty much agree that Episode 14 is the one that was leaked - all I was saying was that it is possible that someone might utter a phrase in more than one episode - in fact I am pretty surprised it hasn't happened more often than it has considering the nature of some of the scenes we have seen,

They probably mainly chose significant phrases that occur only once on purpose, and "Case Files" was an exception.

About Ed:
I thought there was something unsettling about Ed's last scene and it reminded me of the Double R ending scene of Part 7, but didn't notice the reflection the first time and when I read about it, I thought it might be an editing error. But it can't be an error, because we can see both Ed and his reflection in the same shot and their movements don't match. The actual Ed is not moving the soup jar at the same time that his reflection in the window is moving the soup jar. How is something like that possible if it isn't intentionally edited? And in the reflection shot there is a slight cut/edit where the jar is at first in Ed's hands and then on the table. What would be the purpose for that cut, when it would be easier to cut the shot at the beginning or end?

And when you watch the moments before and after that, it starts with Ed placing the jar in front of him on the table, removing his hands from it, as if to show us that he isn't moving. Then he is looking at something straight ahead and he slightly moves his head as if he noticed something. There is a cut and we see his reflection in the window, hence we know he was looking at his reflection. We can see that the jar in front of him is not moving, whereas the reflection in the mirror is still eating. Then after a few moments, the jar in the reflection "glitches" and is on the table where it should be, as if it's noticed that is was being watched and was correcting it's position. Then there is another cut back to Ed's face who looks confused/unsettled/thoughtful as if he noticed something was wrong. Look at his eye movement. He moves his eyes to the right as if he was thinking, then his eyes quickly move towards the jar in front of him, back to the direction where the reflection is and again to the jar, and then he begins to slightly move the jar in his hands - maybe because he wants to see what his reflection is doing when he moves or maybe because he wants to match his movements to the reflection or maybe he just wants to pretend everything is in order. At that moment we can hear a weird sound that seems to indicate something creepy is going on, and then he continues eating.

Another weird thing: during the "glitching" reflection it seems like the same car is passing the window twice because it is making the exact same sounds, usually not every passing car sounds the same. Ed could also be confused about seeing the same thing twice. It is even weirder that the reflection glitches while the car is in the picture because if the shot was sloppily cut, the moving car would should glitch as well, but it doesn't. The only thing that seems edited is Ed's moving reflection.

[yaxomoxay]

I believe Ed's reflecction has NO deeper meaning. That said, I could still be wrong, and the airplane windows could've been screwed with for no apparent reason as well. Maybe Lynch just liked how it looked in postpro and kept it that way?

I agree. I think a lot of the wackier theories here are coming from people who don't understand that art is invented as the artist goes along, Sometimes an odd element could just be covering for something wrong with the footage they had on film. If a boom mic is on the film, for example, they could have to glitch things up to hide the boom mic.

In one of my favorite TV shows, The Larry Sanders Show, occassionally the boom mic is visible over the actors. Clearly they were on a deadline, and they went with the best take they had. There was no deeper meaning.

There's also the possibility Lynch is glitching things to make a subconscous sense of unease, but it has nothing to do with the plot and you aren't supposed to notice it. But I tend to go with the simpler theory that people are reading too much into things or they are just doing something simple like hiding a boom mic in editing and the glitch is a consequence of that.

I am not an expert but wouldn't the guy in charge of adding the reflection look at the normal footage first, then add the effect, then re watch the results at least once? It feels like a big editing mistake if it's a mistake. I wouldn't do it and it's not my job.
The boom mic is not analogous as the mistake happens as part of the full take because someone is manually trying to keep it out of the scene. Big Ed's reflection was added later, and with at least once specific purpose.


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[Troubbble]

Like that Deming/Lynch whacking the lens thing they invented by accident...

Never heard about this. What effect did they create by doing that?

Is that how they did the crazy, out-of-focus POV effect in Mulholland Drive, possibly?

[boske]

I pretty much agree that Episode 14 is the one that was leaked - all I was saying was that it is possible that someone might utter a phrase in more than one episode - in fact I am pretty surprised it hasn't happened more often than it has considering the nature of some of the scenes we have seen,

They probably mainly chose significant phrases that occur only once on purpose, and "Case Files" was an exception.

About Ed:
I thought there was something unsettling about Ed's last scene and it reminded me of the Double R ending scene of Part 7, but didn't notice the reflection the first time and when I read about it, I thought it might be an editing error. But it can't be an error, because we can see both Ed and his reflection in the same shot and their movements don't match. The actual Ed is not moving the soup jar at the same time that his reflection in the window is moving the soup jar. How is something like that possible if it isn't intentionally edited? And in the reflection shot there is a slight cut/edit where the jar is at first in Ed's hands and then on the table. What would be the purpose for that cut, when it would be easier to cut the shot at the beginning or end?

And when you watch the moments before and after that, it starts with Ed placing the jar in front of him on the table, removing his hands from it, as if to show us that he isn't moving. Then he is looking at something straight ahead and he slightly moves his head as if he noticed something. There is a cut and we see his reflection in the window, hence we know he was looking at his reflection. We can see that the jar in front of him is not moving, whereas the reflection in the mirror is still eating. Then after a few moments, the jar in the reflection "glitches" and is on the table where it should be, as if it's noticed that is was being watched and was correcting it's position. Then there is another cut back to Ed's face who looks confused/unsettled/thoughtful as if he noticed something was wrong. Look at his eye movement. He moves his eyes to the right as if he was thinking, then his eyes quickly move towards the jar in front of him, back to the direction where the reflection is and again to the jar, and then he begins to slightly move the jar in his hands - maybe because he wants to see what his reflection is doing when he moves or maybe because he wants to match his movements to the reflection or maybe he just wants to pretend everything is in order. At that moment we can hear a weird sound that seems to indicate something creepy is going on, and then he continues eating.

Another weird thing: during the "glitching" reflection it seems like the same car is passing the window twice because it is making the exact same sounds, usually not every passing car sounds the same. Ed could also be confused about seeing the same thing twice. It is even weirder that the reflection glitches while the car is in the picture because if the shot was sloppily cut, the moving car would should glitch as well, but it doesn't. The only thing that seems edited is Ed's moving reflection.

Yes. But also pay attention to the second car: it first moves out (or is it the first car that moves out of frame twice), then moves in, and then finally disappears. It could be sloppy editing for sure.

To be fair to all the people who are looking for something here, let us remember the FWWM elevator scene with Cooper going back and forth between the corridor and the room with cameras. We may be dealing with something like that here, as I simply do not see why a second car could not be added to a scene with better editing. Oh well...