Parts 3 & 4 - Call for help & ...brings back some memories (SPOILERS)

[Normonaut]

New poster here, hellooo-oooo-oooo!

A few things I've noticed that I haven't seen mentioned:

- Why is Albert the only one who has to speak up around Cole? Everyone else speaks with a normal voice, but Albert has to shout. He even seems annoyed by it. It's almost like he's the Anti-Shelley. I don't think the whole scraping foot thing at the end is for comedic effect only.
- Dougie Cooper, when he's at the house in the morning, touches the spot where Cooper was shot, just as the kid enters the hallway and gives him the thumbs up. Just like the old man did repeatedly when Coop was shot.

Damn it, I had more but got distracted.

[sneakydave]

Cooper being in some fake reality seems unneccessary and over thinking it. It seems like the doppleganger sent those assassins specifically at that time when Coop would be replacing dougie. But if the doppleganger can just create a whole fake reality to stash dale in that just seems too much, he should just be able to easily kill him then. The owl and street sign and what just seem to be little things to help him remember that are all going to build up to a breakthrough. I really don't think this show is going to go for a big multiple episode long illusion thing just for the sake of a plot twist, like mr. robot or something.

Yeah, my wife speculated that these were little reminders that will nudge him to remember who he really is.
Nice to have such things to speculate on after all these years though.

[Trudy Chelgren]

Don't know if it's already been said, but does anyone else think the decapitated John Doe was the body of Major Briggs? It's what I thought when the Buckhorn police found the body's fingerprint information was locked by the military.

[Normonaut]

Don't know if it's already been said, but does anyone else think the decapitated John Doe was the body of Major Briggs? It's what I thought when the Buckhorn police found the body's fingerprint information was locked by the military.

I thought so, but then Bobby said his dad has been dead since right after season 2.

Still not impossible though, it is Lynch after all.

Maybe Jeffries?

[Oneeyedwaldo]

Hi first time poster and I've been a lurker ever since s3 was officially confirmed. Been a fan of twin peaks since I was 9/10 so as many of you it's been an incredibly long wait! *ive just finished this post and I apologise for the length!
Anyway, after having watched all four parts I can understand people's frustration. I have a few but I honestly think if Lynch and Frost had the control they had today back then the first two seasons would have been very different. Especially s2!
Like a lot of you I loved the scene of bad coop being interviewed by Albert and Gordon.
Some people on here are confused and I don't understand why. For instance there's three Coops as Mike says in the waiting room " you were manufactured" he's been created as a decoy simple as that. I think!
The arm; wtf? I have no idea.
The way good coop (drool coop) is transported through a plug socket. I try to understand all of the things Lynch does/ implies. Some stuff is quite simple others are either just done to deliberately mess with our head for the sake of it and not have an explanation.
I think we need to wait, be patient and see how this all plays out. I think the fact that time has passed makes it harder to relate to the last two seasons. It does for me but I'm fine with that.
Can't wait for part 5. I do have a feeling it'll start getting less intense in the surreality stakes to carry the story forward.
Maybe Lynch and Frost thought that they needed to go all out for the premier and carry the theme as parts 3 and 4 were available after the premiere was shown to keep with the theme and not be seen as well do a surreal opening and then go back to type.
Not everyone's gonna love it and I admit some scenes were hard to watch but I think that's the point. While there's turmoil going on it's hard to watch. It seems that it's not just the owls are not what they seem.

[Trudy Chelgren]

Normonaut wrote:
I thought so, but the Bobby said his dad has been dead since right after season 2.

Still not impossible though, it is Lynch after all.

Maybe Jeffries?

I knew the time didn't add up, at least in a logical world. I don't believe Jeffries is dead, regardless of who was talking to Cooper's doppelganger in Part 2.

[indyit]

I’d love if it the Dougie Jones world turned out to be a mirror/parallel world as evidenced by the drug addict saying “119” instead of “911” after good Dale left with his *ahem* s*x worker friend in the Jeep. Thoughts?

There's something going on with the version of the world good Coop is in. As you say, the drug addict is saying 911 backwards. There is the fact he saw a street sign saying Sycamore Street. He saw the owl flying over his home with the RED door, there is an owl ornament in the kitchen of said house, there was chat of Merlin and Lancelot (a call back to Glastonbury).

I feel Coop is not really out into the 'real' world.

I got that feeling a little as well, but I hope it isn't a twist like that. Have we seen any crossover yet (with the other storylines?) I was just thinking whether David Dastmalchian's Pit Boss had any connection to the casino Cooper was in or was he based somewhere else?

Generally speaking I'm loving what I've seen so far. For the longest time we treated the world of TP as a fairly realistic place... but this show has built up to a place where we watch and our protagonist is caught up in - some of the weirdest stuff on the planet!

I think the season very quickly and clearly declares itself to be it's own beast... but also relies on what's come before to allow this series to be as weird and crazy as it wants to be. Usually you ease your audience into stuff like this, but this show is relying on seasons 1 and 2 to have done that. I guess what this implies is that the world of TP has always crazy, but only now do we realise how crazy it's been (although FWWM started to show this as well).

What this show does is build on the mythology - Blue Rose and the Lodge spirits machinations are wider reaching than previously believed. That spirit world is also bigger and more complicated than previously shown as well... sorta looking like the same place the Lady in the radiator's from. I really like the nearly silent film look everything (especially the sfx) gets during that early part of episode 3. BOB/Mr C has powers previously unseen making the decoy, so it makes me wonder what other lodge spirit "powers" we might see (besides the weird hobo prisoner disappearance).

So much little things going on, will be interesting to see how it all comes together.

I can understand why some people feel frustrated or disappointed by this even if I don't agree. This show doesn't have the same focus the original show had, it doesn't have the narrative hook or the strong protagonist (yet) to anchor everything. I'd say these first four episodes are, for me at least, the first 30 min of the Pilot. We get all these glimpses into a world where something horrible has happened and there's no real light until Cooper drives in. I think that moment is coming, the coffee must have helped! Whether the show will change gears once that happens is anyone's guess but I think the show will get to a place more akin to the old series/people's expectations in the weeks to come (unless the creators' need to subvert expectations reaches sadistic levels).

I also think the John Doe is Major Briggs' body. I think there is an implication here that either the body's been stored and waiting for a very long time (or more likely), in-universe Major Briggs' didn't die in the fire Bobby mentioned and instead died more recently. The person that died more recently could be a doppelganger or it could be original Briggs... I don't know.

[hopesfall]

I'm really curious to see if my opinion of the Wally scene and the Denise scene changes upon rewatch. I suspect the former won't, the latter may.

Upon my own re-watch this morning it was the complete opposite. I hated the Wally scene when I first watched the episode yesterday, but straight from Truman's reaction when he was told that Wally wanted to pay his respects ("Oh boy..."), I started to chuckle. It almost seems like Cera is trying his hardest not to crack up, and that, along with some of the stupid stuff he's saying, really creased me. I think my feelings towards it first time around were that it was going on for longer than I wanted it to, and I was eager for other parts of the story to move along, but when you just take it for what it is, it's a proper funny scene. At least I think so.

As for the Denise/Cole scene, it all seems kind of... forced. The dialogue is a bit hokey, and it's all just a bit off. My friend wants to watch the whole 4 in a row this weekend, so perhaps a third viewing will improve it for me! If I don't watch it again myself before then anyway.

[Dom834]

I’d love if it the Dougie Jones world turned out to be a mirror/parallel world as evidenced by the drug addict saying “119” instead of “911” after good Dale left with his *ahem* s*x worker friend in the Jeep. Thoughts?

There's something going on with the version of the world good Coop is in. As you say, the drug addict is saying 911 backwards. There is the fact he saw a street sign saying Sycamore Street. He saw the owl flying over his home with the RED door, there is an owl ornament in the kitchen of said house, there was chat of Merlin and Lancelot (a call back to Glastonbury).

I feel Coop is not really out into the 'real' world.

The other obvious option would be that putting Dougie in a King Arthur-themed neighbourhood and giving him a red door is part of the plan or "ritual" to have Dougie called back to the Black Lodge in place of Bad Coop with or without Bob inside.

[Here Comes That Bob]

Part 4 was by far my favourite episode so far. It felt like Lynch&Frost played a slow paced delicate joke on us. Perfect blend of nostalgia and comedy.

[Here Comes That Bob]

What were general thoughts on Michael Cera scene?

I personally didn't like. It was awkward as hell and lasted far too long. Sheriff Truman's reactions were priceless though.

[arfredo]

- Why is Albert the only one who has to speak up around Cole? Everyone else speaks with a normal voice, but Albert has to shout. He even seems annoyed by it. It's almost like he's the Anti-Shelley. I don't think the whole scraping foot thing at the end is for comedic effect only.

Albert doesn't usually speaks up around Cole, and Cole understand fairly well everybody. I only recall the car sick-Cossacks scene, in which Albert has to shout. I suppose the new sound system works better (although Cole keeps shouting).

The scrapping foot at the end seemed to me something like an electric failure.

[Hal_McGee]

Does anybody know the manufacturer and model number of the voice recorder that "Bad Cooper" uses in Season 3?
I hope that I have posted this question in the right place.

[TweetPeak]

no it is the wrong section. anyway, it looked lika smartphone - and
Bad Cooper uploaded the Prison Maps onto it

[Here Comes That Bob]

Did anyone notice Franz Kafka portrait in Gordon Cole's office?

I guess Lynch is paying a homage to his idol.