Part 17 - The past dictates the future (SPOILERS)

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Re: Part 17 - The past dictates the future (SPOILERS)

Postby George » Fri Jul 06, 2018 4:27 pm

This is probably the episode I'm the most torn about.
I love the overimposed face of Cooper, and the first time around, when it says "We live inside a dream", it gave me goosebumps. It's still a strong moment. I like the farce with Bad Cooper pretending to be Cooper and how everyone at the Sheriff Station acts towards him. I love when Sarah trashes the picture frame.
Overall on this rewatch I realized how much I could do without the Blue Rose Task Force exposition scenes. It would have been better to cut away after the "How the hell is this?" line. There's just not much of a mood there. But also, Tammy smiling at the "not where it counts" line...eh, it feels like a pervy old man fantasy to me. Someone once mentioned that Tammy seems like she comes from a X-Files porn parody, and that still seems apt to me, though sure, she has character. Still, rather would have seen Denise Bryton as part of the team...I feel like I'm getting side-tracked here!

It's just a damn shame that Harry Truman didn't leave the doctor's care at least for this episode! Oh, how much more emotional resonance his reunion with Cooper would have had! And while the sense of unreality at the Sheriff Station is great, it also means the scenes there with Cooper feel so unreal, which is a loss, since we didn't have much of an opportunity before of seeing him interact with the world, and after that, well things go topsy-turvy and who is what and how becomes very confused.
I guess the kiss with Diane makes sense, though I don't have any emotional investment in it. Naido being Diane...I'm not sure I like it, though I like how Diane looks there in the bathrobe, and the transition sequence.
Now, why does Dale want to rescue Laura so much, anyway? Instead of, say, Theresa Banks or Madeline Ferguson? Because she was there in his dreams? Because her death exposed so much he rather wouldn't have seen exposed? Because he's in love with her? I can't say I'm super convinced by the way Laura comes back into the picture.
Freddie punching the Bob orb...it's silly, but it looks and sounds unique, and I'm fine with it. I'm just glad the season didn't end there.
And I'm glad there's part 18, which I feel far less torn about. But that's for another thread. ;)

Edit: I forgot to mention: how the hell don't Freddie and James notice Chad unlocking and leaving his prison cell? Were I in their position, I would raise hell and make sure that someone hears me and locks up Chad again. This annoyed me the whole scene long!
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Re: Part 17 - The past dictates the future (SPOILERS)

Postby Mr. Reindeer » Sat Jul 07, 2018 7:59 am

This quote by DKL in Room to Dream is about Glinda/Sheryl in W@H, but it instantly made me think of Green Glove, deus ex machina, and the duality between Part 17 and Part 18: “Everything is possible and sometimes something just appears out of nowhere and makes everything right. That can happen in life. But if you count on that happening, you might be let down.”
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Re: Part 17 - The past dictates the future (SPOILERS)

Postby George » Sat Jul 07, 2018 8:30 am

Yeah, I like that about David Lynch's process, that he goes in with a firm plan that gives him assurance and orientation, but also remains open to spontaneous ideas that can in the most extreme of cases (like with the creation of Bob) re-orient everything.

I forgot another gripe about Part 17: The return of the Wig! I belong to the group of people for whom the wig in FWWM is a significant distraction. The first time I saw Part 17 I couldn't believe it when I saw Sheryl in that wig again, now just much older and so her look even less convincing! I was shocked by how poor the execution of that bit was. I still think the execution is poor, but...I don't know, with Twin Peaks my metrics for what is good and what bad is always challenged, and that is what I also love about it. And I did enjoy the scene a lot more now, but nevertheless I still think it's extremely ridiculous!
Also, couldn't they have used film for the additional footage to the flashback scenes? It's so easy to spot which shot is old and which one is new, it's a distraction.
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Re: Part 17 - The past dictates the future (SPOILERS)

Postby Mr. Reindeer » Sat Jul 07, 2018 8:47 am

I’d love to know if there was a “Bob/Silva” or “Red Room” moment this season that completely shifted the rubric during shooting. My impression is that there wasn’t, although plenty of magical smaller things happened through production (and a few slightly bigger things, like Audrey/Charlie). But overall this season seems shockingly by-the-script, given that DKL’s last production was the seat-of-his-pants INLAND EMPIRE.
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Re: Part 17 - The past dictates the future (SPOILERS)

Postby Poiuyt » Sat Jul 07, 2018 10:14 am

Kyle has said on more than one occasion that Cooper was supposed to come back (I think from being Dougie, although I'm not 100% sure) earlier than he did. Whether this change from the script occurred during filming or editing is anyone's guess, although I'm leaning toward the latter, since so much of the filming already occurred strikingly out of sequence

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