Re: 'Twin Peaks: The Final Dossier' Novel by Mark Frost 10/31 (SPOILERS)
Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2017 1:49 pm
The motive to mate with Judy to bring about the end of the world.
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But didn't that already kinda happen with Sarah/Joudy mating with Leland/BOB to produce Laura? Why would a union with the Double/BOB and Sarah/Joudy be any more calamitous than that?Methedrome wrote:The motive to mate with Judy to bring about the end of the world.
I am going with the thought that Sarah Palmer doesn't become fully possessed by Judy until it's released from the glass box, the Frog Bug is just something that was planted in her that marks her as a person that Judy can possessdkenny78 wrote:But didn't that already kinda happen with Sarah/Joudy mating with Leland/BOB to produce Laura? Why would a union with the Double/BOB and Sarah/Joudy be any more calamitous than that?Methedrome wrote:The motive to mate with Judy to bring about the end of the world.
The only explanation I can think of is that the Double is more inherently evil than Leland because it's a demon possessing an evil twin vs. a demon possessing an otherwise good man. But, if that's the case, shouldn't Joudy really be possessing Sarah's Double instead of Sarah herself?
My current assumption is that married to Charlie Audrey is in the Twin Peaks we knew and institutionalized/white room Audrey in the Twin Peaks we see in the finale.DoppelBocker wrote:Anyway, Audrey Horne kind of disappointed about her backstory in the book. Doesn't explain how she's at the roadhouse yet in a white room at the same time.
Not to mention, that term wouldn't become widely used until mid-'00s at the very earliest. Either Cooper's meddling with time caused language to develop in a funny way, or that's some seriously sloppy writing.SpookyDollhouse wrote:Lil nitpick about this book: Albert's out-of-character-for-the-times use of the phrase "trigger warning" is not only silly but a lil self-righteously projecting. It's like Frost writing as Albert, which it IS but breaks suspension of disbelief. He didn't think this through enough which is kind of expected of him considering how he acts on social media.
Ah, good point. Yeah, I could see that being the case. But this sort of encapsulates the overall problem I have with 'The Return'. The original 'Twin Peaks' certainly left a lot up to the viewer's interpretation, but that was sort-of 'gravy', and most of the show could be enjoyed and understood based on what was actually depicted onscreen.kitty666cats wrote: I am going with the thought that Sarah Palmer doesn't become fully possessed by Judy until it's released from the glass box, the Frog Bug is just something that was planted in her that marks her as a person that Judy can possess
I disagree. Authors don't have any responsibilities beyond telling their story. If you feel understanding it requires a lot of thinking, then maybe that's the kind of thing they wrote, and if anybody doesn't enjoy that kind of thing it's not for them.dkenny78 wrote:Ah, good point. Yeah, I could see that being the case. But this sort of encapsulates the overall problem I have with 'The Return'. The original 'Twin Peaks' certainly left a lot up to the viewer's interpretation, but that was sort-of 'gravy', and most of the show could be enjoyed and understood based on what was actually depicted onscreen.kitty666cats wrote: I am going with the thought that Sarah Palmer doesn't become fully possessed by Judy until it's released from the glass box, the Frog Bug is just something that was planted in her that marks her as a person that Judy can possess
But reading TFD reinforces my feeling that so much of 'The Return' outright *requires* viewers to piece together a very elaborate interpretation of events, based on the smallest of breadcrumbs. And while I'm all for fiction that makes you think, I do feel authors bear some responsibility for leading viewers/readers to a certain conclusion, and in my opinion, 'The Return' fails that test.
While not shocking, it unfortunately confirms how nonsensical the whole "I want those coordinates" plotline was. If Mr.C was at the scene where Ruth Davenport was killed, all he had to do was crib the coordinates off of her arm... no need to have to get Ray to obtain them via this unnecessary secretary character, etc... Would have made more sense if the Woodsmen acted on their own and took everyone out at that scene.Mr. Reindeer wrote:None of this is particularly shocking, but use spoiler tags!krishnanspace wrote:Also it seems That Harry Truman is suffering from Cancer.Mr.C killed Briggs and Ruth Davenport and he is the owner of The Glass Box in New York
But Bob was in Leland and Judy in Sarah before.They mated before but the world didn't endMethedrome wrote:The motive to mate with Judy to bring about the end of the world.
I'm not saying I buy Mark's version as Lynch's, but I assume that the Fireman prevented this from happening through the creation of the golden Laura orb.krishnanspace wrote:But Bob was in Leland and Judy in Sarah before.They mated before but the world didn't endMethedrome wrote:The motive to mate with Judy to bring about the end of the world.
“David and I talked for a year before we ever started working, so there’s no doubt that some of those ideas [in the new book] came up during that period of time. But also, you know, it was [me saying], “David, you go make the show, and do what you do best, and I’m gonna do that with the books.” So you have to trust your partner.”
~ Mark Frost about his book TFD
I do think, though, that Frost's version will shut all debate about the frog moth girl being Sarah Palmer, whether that's what Lynch intended or not.Xavi wrote:In TFD Tamara Preston tells the story. It is her story, it is from her perspective. There is even something more, which is best worded in Lucy's vocabulary; "Tamara Preston? Which one?"
BTW I do not appreciate two versions that exist at the same time. I will always prefer Lynch's universe, which is Twin Peaks Season 3 as shown on TV.
“David and I talked for a year before we ever started working, so there’s no doubt that some of those ideas [in the new book] came up during that period of time. But also, you know, it was [me saying], “David, you go make the show, and do what you do best, and I’m gonna do that with the books.” So you have to trust your partner.”
~ Mark Frost about his book TFD
Frost implies the world will end if Judy and Bob meet, so I don't think she's been harboring Sarah until recently, the frog has been dormant. Otherwise I don't see why the world didn't end much, much earlier if Judy and Bob were living together...FlyingSquirrel wrote:I don't think she *is* Judy, but rather she has been harboring Judy ever since the encounter with the bug in the '50s. It would appear that Judy only rarely exercises control over her, though. Maybe Sarah's own psychic abilities were a sort of side effect of being in contact with a being as powerful as Judy?TheArm wrote: And are we meant to infer that Sarah Judith Nowack Palmer is indeed "Judy"?