Deep Thought wrote:Here’s my literal interpretation of the Audrey scene. As Willa Cather told a journalist who asked her what “Death of the Archbishop” was about, “If I could tell you that I wouldn’t have had to write the damn novel!” this scene looses just about everything when interpreted in this way, at least to me. But I do feel Lynch uses concrete ideas as his inspiration. Mostly this is an exercise in showing the folks who don’t enjoy this scene or this series another way that some folks are looking at the thing. Whether this turns out to be the “correct” interpretation or not is irrelevant to the process of engaging with the art.
Open scene: (I’ve heavily edited the conversation for length)
We see Audrey standing before Charlie, who is sitting behind a desk nearly overflowing with paperwork. Besides papers and incidental office supplies the desk has on it: a Rolodex, a telephone, an hourglass, a crystal ball (an approximation), balance calibration weights spread about the desk, a statue of a black dog.
Dr. Amp: “The ninth level of hell will welcome you!”
“I’m tired of waiting for the phone to ring.”
(Audrey is getting no incoming information)
Charlie: “Stay here and get a good sleep.” . . . “Why you put me down for doing my allotted duty in life? (Sleep Audrey, sleep. This is my job, to keep you asleep).
Audrey: “Why don’t you ask your crystal ball where the fuck Billy is”?
Charlie: “Come on Audrey, you know I don’t have a crystal ball.” (points at his crystal ball)
Charlie: “I’ve been good to you, you always say it.”
Audrey (angrily): “What, I gotta thank you every hour on the hour, get on my knees and adore you”? (as young Audrey did figuratively with Cooper, and there is an hourglass on the desk).
“Look Charlie . . . you have no balls, that’s why I’m in love with Billy. That’s why I’m fucking Billy! I saw Billy in my dream last night, and he was bleeding from the nose and mouth! And dreams sometimes hearken a truth.” (Who is fucking Audrey? Who is bleeding? Well, Cooper was bleeding from the forehead down the nose and mouth just before he raped Audrey)
“Now I gotta go, Charlie, I asked for your company, your protection.” (She can’t go anywhere without Charlie, after all he is part of her).
“And Tina, I gotta find Tina, She was the last person to see Billy.” (Tina is Diane)
“You were supposed to CALL her, but you never did.” (A very specific line reading, indicating Audrey is not able to use the phone).
Charlie: “Don’t be sore at me Audrey, you know I just want the best for you.” (Calling Tina is not in Audrey’s best interest).
Audrey then threatens to bring Paul into the situation to clear up “fishy” contracts. (Paul has the power to change the dynamic of the Audrey/Charlie relationship, the bluff seems to work on Charlie).
Charlie: “OK Audrey, I’ll go with you (Audrey puts on coat) . . .where are we going?” (Charlie seems more concerned with keeping Audrey asleep and following their contract than in any of her desires)
Threatened with having to leave with Audrey, Charlie decides to call Tina.
Charlie: “Let me call her now, OK? I know I’ll tell her I’m alone. Let’s see if she knows anything. If her husbands there she won’t be able to talk.” (If Diane is near “Chuck” she can’t talk).
Audrey: “Chuck is certifiable, so we can’t count on shit from him.” (Chuck is Mr. C.)
Charlie “Chuck told you Tina was the last person to see Billy?”
Audrey: “Yeah.” (Otherwise how would Audrey know about Diane?)
Charlie: “Billy came out of his house and saw Chuck driving off with his truck.” (Yep, Chuck stole Billy’s truck and a whole lot more).
Audrey: “So, what happened then?”
Charlie: “Well, [the sheriff] called Billy, and I GUESS Billy got his truck back and they dropped all charges.” (Chuck got away Scott-free).
(This information really throws Audrey for a loop).
Charlie calls Tina, and is quite concerned with her admission (or denial) about being the last to see Billy. The one clue we have to the conversation is “How did you find . . . “ before he is cut off by Tina. “Oh my goodness” and “Unbelievable what you’re telling me,” round out the shocking news from Tina. (Tina lets Charlie know that Mr C. was the one who impregnated Audrey, not Cooper).
Just to be clear, I do not think Charlie actually calls the Diane out in the real world, but rather we're watching Audrey access and process knowledge she already possesses, or is currently learning about.
Flame away, ha ha.
I've been away, traveling most of the week... But just think your whole post should be reviewed, again and again! As I think this scene will be revisited for years down the line. As with most of Lynch's work, I don't think we're ever going to get a full explaination but with the rest of the installments it will make this confused, frustrating scene make more fascinating sense.
When and IF we see Audrey with Charlie again, I will be paying strong attention to the surrounding details... If they are in public, do people not have cell phones, is everything somewhat antiquated? Does she only interact with Charlie? I'm very much of the thought this world is similar to Cooper's first red room scene in the first season... How Cooper accesses his subconscious... Before Lynch was kinda forced to defined it as the Black Lodge through Episode 29's script. Charlie works both as Audrey's brain, logical, rational side, and as a spiritual Giant, Little Man From Another Place. (I believe Lynch feels we all have this potential in us, to access answers in altered states.)
Sabrina Sutherland when asked if Billy is the same Billy mentioned at the diner, she paused and then answered YES. When followed up with the question, oh so that is the guy we saw talking to Andy, she then replied with a poker faced, "I can't answer that right now." This gives your theory that Billy is Cooper more weight, and I believe the Billy uttered by Audrey and the random townsperson is Cooper. (Not that I fully expect it ever to be explained or spelled out to us.)
Charlie is Audrey, Billy and Chuck are Cooper and Mr. C. Billy is not going to be able to help Audrey this time, she has to learn patience and listen to her logical side and wake up/ get out on her own from this nightmare/coma/Circle of Hell.
God, I love this music. Isn't it too dreamy?