Part 11 - There's fire where you are going (SPOILERS)

[ScarFace32]

Doesn't he do the same thing in the casino

It's not the same. He's not being pulled in a different direction by anything. He's given the idea to play a game. He sees a man demonstrate HOW to do so, but there are rows and rows of machines to choose from. The only distinguishing feature is the little vision, and he follows it to the closest machiens. When offered resistance from the old lady, he moves on.

Na I'd say it's almost exactly the same. Like how the vision of Mike in the Lodge attracts him to the store, there is a vision that attracts him to the game. And aren't the casino workers around him and trying to talk to him and he leaves and follows the vision instead?

[Ragnell]

Doesn't he do the same thing in the casino

It's not the same. He's not being pulled in a different direction by anything. He's given the idea to play a game. He sees a man demonstrate HOW to do so, but there are rows and rows of machines to choose from. The only distinguishing feature is the little vision, and he follows it to the closest machiens. When offered resistance from the old lady, he moves on.

Na I'd say it's almost exactly the same. Like how the vision of Mike in the Lodge attracts him to the store, there is a vision that attracts him to the game. And aren't the casino workers around him and trying to talk to him and he leaves and follows the vision instead?

There's still the element of physical contact here. This is significant, way more significant than disregarding words.

[krzhuva]

Doesn't he do the same thing in the casino

In this ep, Bushnell has his hand on his arm and is guiding him in one direction, and he pulls free. If you watch, you can see Bushnell try and pull him back. He offers resistence. Dale Cooper's willpower is applied to the situation for the first time. This is his first real decision.

Seems to me like a case of reacting to the stronger stimulus, and not very dissimiliar from what he's been doing all along, i.e. following things that convey some obscure importance to him or are to his liking (like following coffee through the halls of Lucky 7). If I were to pick his first real decision, I'd probably pick be the decision to share that potato chip with Sonny Jim.

[ScarFace32]

It's not the same. He's not being pulled in a different direction by anything. He's given the idea to play a game. He sees a man demonstrate HOW to do so, but there are rows and rows of machines to choose from. The only distinguishing feature is the little vision, and he follows it to the closest machiens. When offered resistance from the old lady, he moves on.

Na I'd say it's almost exactly the same. Like how the vision of Mike in the Lodge attracts him to the store, there is a vision that attracts him to the game. And aren't the casino workers around him and trying to talk to him and he leaves and follows the vision instead?

There's still the element of physical contact here. This is significant, way more significant than disregarding words.

True but do you think if someone had him by the arm and said "come with us sir" he might have pulled away and followed the vision to the slot machine? Or in the same circumstance pulled away even if someone held a big hot cup of coffee in front of him?

[Ragnell]

Na I'd say it's almost exactly the same. Like how the vision of Mike in the Lodge attracts him to the store, there is a vision that attracts him to the game. And aren't the casino workers around him and trying to talk to him and he leaves and follows the vision instead?

There's still the element of physical contact here. This is significant, way more significant than disregarding words.

True but do you think if someone had him by the arm and said "come with us sir" he might have pulled away and followed the vision to the slot machine? Or in the same circumstance pulled away even if someone held a big hot cup of coffee in front of him?

Yes. Because the old lady shooed him away from the obe next to her easily. Bill Shaker approaching him and drawing him into conversation got him away from the slots as well. Casino employees try to push winners to play MORE so they can get to losing again soon, none of them were going to pull him away. But the old lady and the Shakers stopped him.

I'm open to the chip as an early decision/independent action. But this was his first real expression of will.

[ScarFace32]

There's still the element of physical contact here. This is significant, way more significant than disregarding words.

True but do you think if someone had him by the arm and said "come with us sir" he might have pulled away and followed the vision to the slot machine? Or in the same circumstance pulled away even if someone held a big hot cup of coffee in front of him?

Yes. Because the old lady shooed him away from the obe next to her easily. Bill Shaker approaching him and drawing him into conversation got him away from the slots as well. Casino employees try to push winners to play MORE so they can get to losing again soon, none of them were going to pull him away. But the old lady and the Shakers stopped him.

I'm open to the chip as an early decision/independent action. But this was his first real expression of will.

Ok. I don't think casino wanted him to play more though, he obviously just kept winning

[Jasper]

I think Doppelcoop sacrificed his own capacity for joy and fun to make Dougie, who seemed to be composed of vices Cooper rejects and the natural Cooper Charisma. The Doppelganger, as others have pointed out, laughed maniacally and seemed to be enjoying himself while now he is just... joyless. Dead eyed.

Bad Coop's toothpaste wasting, head smashing and maniacal laughing at the end of ep. 29 occurs just as BOB is appearing in the mirror. So I think this is mainly BOB letting out a howl of joy at being along for the ride with Coop's doppelganger. In The Missing Pieces we see doppelcooper, seconds later, behaving almost exactly like he does in The Return. He's emotionally flat, vacant, moves oddly, and is generally unable to convincingly mimic good Coop. He's dead-eyed, even though at that time Kyle doesn't have the pitch-black contacts. (The contacts were an idea suggested by Kyle for The Return.)

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[JohnPalSki]

I know I'm late to the party this week, but I wanted to share my "notes"
1: what is up with Diane? A few episodes ago I couldn't imagine that she'd be colluding with the dark side, but judging by what I interpreted as phony behavior ("I could be mistaken" when reporting that she "possibly " saw the ghostly woodsman leave the police car)
2: the scene with the gunshots, horn honking, and vomiting child was every bit as disturbing as the woodsman "poem" in episode 8. God damn.
3: wow- that vortex that Gordon witnessed... holy shit.... I am anxious to read people's theories about that! And the stairs that probably lead above the convenience store!!!!
4: hawk, the map, and he finally says "really", like we saw in the preview.... I am dying to know a bit more about the "ant head"

All in all, this episode was brimming with the lore that hooked me during season 2. Thick with detail and fire and eerie tension. I wish there were 15 more episodes!!!!!


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[Cappy]

Seeing Gersten Hayward slumming it and having an affair with a married man roughly half her age makes me feel like RIchard Horne might actually be Donna Hayward/Horne's son, and Gersten the burnt out aunt who was a negative influence.

But then again, the town of Twin Peaks in 2017 is a giant trailer park from what we've seen, so it's not like RIchard wouldn't have a wealth of negative influences everywhere else, regardless of parentage.

Everyone assumes that DoppelCoop raped and impregnated a comatose Audrey Horne before leaving town, but it's also possible he was doing something else in her room, like slipping the emerald lodge ring from FWWM on her finger. Or maybe he stole the little golden marble that contains her soul, kind of like the gold marble that was left behind following Dougie's disintegration in the Red Room.

[Cappy]

The screaming woman and the little girl rising from the front seat like a possessed child was horrifying on my first watch, but on my second watch I couldn't stop laughing at the driver's constant and over-the-top screaming. Her voice became reminiscent of Chris Farley somehow... Did anyone else have this reaction?

The whole sequence, from the diner to the young girl vomiting, was breathtaking and some of Lynch's most provocative work (in my opinion), but sometimes Lynch has these random details or features in scenes that seem to stand out and contradict the overall context. Which is something I love about him.

[Snailhead]

I LOVE the fact that it's Gersten Hayward, of all people, having an affair with Steven. The annoyingly perfect little sister of Donna's who dressed like a fairy princess and was a piano prodigy the one and only time we saw her before. That in and of itself seems to be a big comment on how much the town has changed.

[wAtChLaR]

I LOVE the fact that it's Gersten Hayward, of all people, having an affair with Steven. The annoyingly perfect little sister of Donna's who dressed like a fairy princess and was a piano prodigy the one and only time we saw her before. That in and of itself seems to be a big comment on how much the town has changed.

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[lotjx2]

Does anyone else get the feeling that the Twin Peaks storylines are not going to resolve. Like we may get the Richard Horne story resolved with Chip screwing it up. Yet, I feel like Red's drug running, what is going in the Great Northern and even the New Briggs' family are going to be opened ended. It allows season two to focus more on Twin Peaks instead of the globe trotting we got this season. The big storyline of the Black Lodge invading the White Lodge and Cooper vs Cooper will have an end. The rest I am not so sure.

[Mr. Jackpots]

1) T.

2) Candie, and I'm still open to her having other purposes but I'm sure this is one, is a feminine mirror of Dale. She hurts Rodney in the last episode, makes a cut. When Dale first visited the casino, he caused some minor harm to the Mitchem Brothers by getting their money unfairly. A small, accidental injury that's barely noticeable in both cases. But with Candie, he just waves it off. When the injury Candie made is HEALED, it opens the door for Rodney to make the same decision and waive off the small injury from Dougie-Dale. Which is why at the end Candie is so prominently featured, and so happy. She arrived late but really, Dougie-Dale's been a little late too. There is SO MUCH happening, and so many big machines and people moving around him.

Candie's spaciness relates her to Dale, and I suspect when Dale wakes up he may bear some slight resemblance to or pass through a phase where he acts like Candie, clearly possessing agency and present inside of himself but spending most of his time on a different wavelength and being a little slow to communicate at times.

lk

Here's the theory: Candie is a mirror of Dougie like you say. And her real identity is; Laura?Annie? Caroline?any other candidates?

[wAtChLaR]

Does anyone else get the feeling that the Twin Peaks storylines are not going to resolve. Like we may get the Richard Horne story resolved with Chip screwing it up. Yet, I feel like Red's drug running, what is going in the Great Northern and even the New Briggs' family are going to be opened ended. It allows season two to focus more on Twin Peaks instead of the globe trotting we got this season. The big storyline of the Black Lodge invading the White Lodge and Cooper vs Cooper will have an end. The rest I am not so sure.

i think it's all going to come together...rapidly...like a powerful force of nature