Part 10 - Laura is the one (SPOILERS)

[sewhite2000]

Didn't Miriam say she wrote a letter to Sheriff Truman? (I could be wrong but that's how I remember the scene)
Because that letter isn't addressed to Sheriff Truman, just "Twin Peaks Sheriff station".

yes correct. I think it was mentioned just after the text quote above. Pretty sure given the different surname, and that the letter wouldn't have arrived at the sheriffs station same day as mailed, that it is not the letter. I also doubt that Chad would be smart enough to realise that the letter he has isn't "the one". He already confirmed he had it. I am tipping he throws it is a drawer or bin somewhere and doesn't even pay it any attention again.

I think it's just a prop error. It happens.

I also believe it's an error. The original series was made before one could freeze a hi-def image on one's computer screen and over-analyze the contents of every shot to the nth degree. I guess it would be a nice Easter egg if this was intentionally done so that viewers who analyze every shot that closely could discover it, but I just don't think that much thought was put into a prop ahead of time. On a show where we've seen different people appear and disappear in the same scene in the diner and airplane windows appear and disappear and Richard Horne's hands looking weird when he grabs the young girl by the throat and the door shimmer that despite all the speculation on here I don't think will ever be referenced again, I don't know why this also couldn't be something unintentional.

As for the same day arrival, well, who's to say it's the same day? People have been driving me insane for eleven thousand pages on here saying "Vegas is taking place in a different week! Hawk in the woods is a flash forward! Every scene is taking place on a different day at a different time than every other scene! Dougie lives in 2003!" This has been going on to the point of absurdity. Now all the same people want to say with absolute certainty Richard learning about the letter and Chad intercepting the letter happened without question, without debate, on the same day? You can't have it both ways!

I said a few pages back that writing a letter to "Sheriff Truman" and "Sheriff's Station" is the same thing, but several more people have continued to post that it can't be the same letter because it doesn't say "Sheriff Truman". I think that's too literal an interpretation.

If it does end up being revealed Chad intercepted the wrong letter, it will be an incredibly weak plot twist because A) No one is named Miriam anymore, and B) No one writes letters anymore, so the odds of two different people named Miriam each writing a letter to Sheriff Truman (or at least to the Sheriff's Station) within say 24 hours of each other is a billion to one. So, I'm actually hoping Chad got the right letter, and the name thing is just an unfortunate mistake, because if its' really a different letter, it would be very lame, narrative-wise.

[wxray]

Looking at those credits again - actor Greg Mills is credited as "Paul".

Can someone help me out - is Paul someone we've seen before? I don't recognise the actor from his photo on imdb. Is he someone from the Las Vegas storyline? If he hasn't shown up before I might think he's the anonymous person in the photo of the glass box.

Nice catch. It must be. Some us were hoping it was Heinrich Veigel. The actor's head shot looks very much like the lab coat guy:
mills.JPGlabcoat.JPG

Sadly I was wrong though! Turns out he's the news anchor...

But that gives us hope for Heinrich Viegel though! (I would also like for him to be Viegel).

I have been going through the cast list looking at imdb for a match for the man in the photo, and I'm now thinking this could be the guy (Jonny Coyne). http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0185431/

Not that it matters, since it doesn't give any clues to what the character's part in all this could be. Could even be another uncredited actor since there's been a few of those.

Thanks! That is good news. If it is Heinrich, the missing cast credit is likely intentional.

[wxray]

I hate to burst everyone's bubble but Greg Mills is an LA news anchor who was seen in the segment of Ike's arrest:
https://twitter.com/GregMillsTVNews/sta ... 8236055552

No bubble to burst! This is a good thing. Leaves hope that lab coat man ties back to Hastings. (That's my bubble.)

[cgs027]

yes correct. I think it was mentioned just after the text quote above. Pretty sure given the different surname, and that the letter wouldn't have arrived at the sheriffs station same day as mailed, that it is not the letter. I also doubt that Chad would be smart enough to realise that the letter he has isn't "the one". He already confirmed he had it. I am tipping he throws it is a drawer or bin somewhere and doesn't even pay it any attention again.

I think it's just a prop error. It happens.

I also believe it's an error. The original series was made before one could freeze a hi-def image on one's computer screen and over-analyze the contents of every shot to the nth degree. I guess it would be a nice Easter egg if this was intentionally done so that viewers who analyze every shot that closely could discover it, but I just don't think that much thought was put into a prop ahead of time. On a show where we've seen different people appear and disappear in the same scene in the diner and airplane windows appear and disappear and Richard Horne's hands looking weird when he grabs the young girl by the throat and the door shimmer that despite all the speculation on here I don't think will ever be referenced again, I don't know why this also couldn't be something unintentional.

As for the same day arrival, well, who's to say it's the same day? People have been driving me insane for eleven thousand pages on here saying "Vegas is taking place in a different week! Hawk in the woods is a flash forward! Every scene is taking place on a different day at a different time than every other scene! Dougie lives in 2003!" This has been going on to the point of absurdity. Now all the same people want to say with absolute certainty Richard learning about the letter and Chad intercepting the letter happened without question, without debate, on the same day? You can't have it both ways!

I said a few pages back that writing a letter to "Sheriff Truman" and "Sheriff's Station" is the same thing, but several more people have continued to post that it can't be the same letter because it doesn't say "Sheriff Truman". I think that's too literal an interpretation.

If it does end up being revealed Chad intercepted the wrong letter, it will be an incredibly weak plot twist because A) No one is named Miriam anymore, and B) No one writes letters anymore, so the odds of two different people named Miriam each writing a letter to Sheriff Truman (or at least to the Sheriff's Station) within say 24 hours of each other is a billion to one. So, I'm actually hoping Chad got the right letter, and the name thing is just an unfortunate mistake, because if its' really a different letter, it would be very lame, narrative-wise.

Agreed, and don't forget about the "yrev" line being inconsistent. Mistakes happen, especially when shooting a "movie" of this length, where things are shot out of order, etc... Besides the fact -- I live in a small town, and I know that if I were to drop a letter at my local post office in the morning (and it was destined for a local address), it is VERY possible that it would arrive later that day.

[cgs027]

I think it was actually that during their first encounter with him at the casino they assumed "Dougie Jones" was a fake name he used to hide his identity (it sounds like a fake name), then later to their surprise they found out that it is in fact his real name

I'd have to go back and watch, but I thought he was just referring to himself as Mr. Jackpots at this early point. The only person who referred to him as Dougie Jones was his hot dog eating buddy, but I don't think he referred to himself as Mr. Jones at all. He just recalled that his house had a red door when he was getting a lift home. The Mitchum brothers even refer to him as Mr. Jackpots once they pause the TV.

i could totally be misremembering but i thought he parrots back 'dougie jones' to the character played by brett gelman and gelman goes like 'ok 'mr. jones'' emphasizing how fake it sounds. i'm gonna go back and see if i'm recalling correctly

edit: yup, when he asks what his name is cooper points at himself and says 'dougie jones' and then brett gelman says to warrick 'cab ride for mr. jones' and then when coop looks up at the security camera: 'that's right, we're watching you, mr. jones'

Ah, good call. I guess we'll just chalk it up to sloppy writing that the Mitchum brothers initially referred to him as Mr. Jackpots, since I don't know where they would have heard that from (since they discuss him with Gelman's character, who knew of him as Mr. Jones).

[wxray]

because A) No one is named Miriam anymore, and B) No one writes letters anymore, so the odds of two different people named Miriam each writing a letter to Sheriff Truman (or at least to the Sheriff's Station) within say 24 hours of each other is a billion to one.

I'm with you guys that this is a prop error, but I kind of need to push back on the language "No one ...". It is not an absolute. I understand the tendency on forums to use absolutes like this, but can you see the other side?

"Miriam" is a deeply biblical name transcending different faiths and sects. It is still being used. In a town of 50k, it is unlikely to have two who write the sheriff on the same day, but not impossible at all.

The Miriam at hand is a teacher of minimal means. Perhaps she doesn't have a computer? Perhaps she felt that writing a letter was more "permanent" than email. And if there are two, perhaps the other Miriam is an old hag who likes to write the sexy Sheriff from time to time.

Otherwise, I'm wildly agreeing with ya'll.

[sewhite2000]

Fine, I amend my statement to ALMOST no one. I didn't intend to say it was impossible but that the odds were so tiny, I think it would be a pretty weak plot twist.

[nick1218]

TWIN PEAKS. THE RETURN.

Laura is the one.

Sunday, July 16th, 2017. 9pm Eastern / 6pm Pacific

Showtime.

For active discussion of Part Ten. Spoilers are naturally permitted.

Wonder if there is any relation between the arm sounding like this (indian sound) and Johnny dressing like an indian

[Framed_Angel]

If it does end up being revealed Chad intercepted the wrong letter, it will be an incredibly weak plot twist because A) No one is named Miriam anymore, and B) No one writes letters anymore, so the odds of two different people named Miriam each writing a letter to Sheriff Truman (or at least to the Sheriff's Station) within say 24 hours of each other is a billion to one. So, I'm actually hoping Chad got the right letter, and the name thing is just an unfortunate mistake, because if its' really a different letter, it would be very lame, narrative-wise.

Having seen the screen shot someone posted elsewhere, I'm inclined to think we're headed for a case of confused identity after all. I agree it seems like a sort of weak development for writers to opt for so here's hoping it serves a story arc that delivers a worthwhile resolution.
Your argument about letter writing and names like "Miriam" together does support the narrow odds of such factors converging in order to thwart Chad's attempted interception. I'm from the south not Pacific Northwest so until I saw the screenshot I was speculating this other "Miriam" could be an aunt of our schoolteacher Miriam - - in my "neck of the woods" there are nieces named for aunts and grand-daughters named for grandmothers, not exclusive to the South but I grew up wondering at all the namesakes around me.
And Twin Peaks pulls us continually into a world of old model trucks and rural living in trailers where you're on a first name basis with the mail carrier or the person delivering your order of new shovels. Letter writing, it occurred to me considering the potential for Miriam to be a relative of another Miriam, seemed likely among people born and raised where time and communication means haven't altered much. Considering how often doppelgangers figure into TP it would be extra eccentric for two related people to have the same *name* for a change!

[sewhite2000]

Also, a word about the closing credits: people are clearly obsessing over the casting credits in the hopes of learning clues about the characters' true identities. It's how we knew Richard Horne's name like a half dozen episodes before it was ever said out loud on the show. People were hoping a last name would be given for Shelly so we would have a clue as to her marital status and the identity of Becky's father, but she's just been listed as "Shelly". So, that's fun, and I get that people want to do that, and that's where this letter controversy is coming from.

Someone has pointed out that Lynch has a very large amount of creative control over many technical aspects of the show. You can find his name in several different places in the credits doing more than "just" directing. But it's probably a stretch to say he has much control over the credits, which is a union-dictated thing. By agreement with the various labor unions, credits for movies and TV shows have to be presented in certain formats and in certain orders (anyone remember the old movies when there were no closing credits or only the cast was listed in the closing credits, instead of the credits being six or seven minutes long listing everyone from the caterer to the Uber driver? That's all a union thing). The credits were very likely the last thing assembled for the show before release. So, it's entirely possible this letter prop with a different last name for Miriam was assembled a full year or longer before the closing credits giving Miriam a different last name were assembled. And a mistake could have easily been made accidentally changing that name somewhere along the way.

[Methedrome]

Dollars to donuts that the Miriam last name difference is intentional.

[Mr. Reindeer]

DKL is clearly paying attention to how characters are named in the credits. "???????," "American Girl," "Experiment," etc. Not necessarily EVERY character, but he definitely was thinking about the credits. And unions have no say in how a character's name appears in the cast list.

That being said, the Miriam fluke (which I immediately caught because I obsess over the credits) is almost certainly a simple error.

[sewhite2000]

I didn't mean to imply unions had any control over characters' names. I just meant to say there was probably a long lag time between that prop letter being addressed and the credits being assembled, and a mistake could have been made by someone along the way.

[yaxomoxay]

I didn't mean to imply unions had any control over characters' names. I just meant to say there was probably a long lag time between that prop letter being addressed and the credits being assembled, and a mistake could have been made by someone along the way.

Wouldn't Miriam's last name be in her first appearance on the script?


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[Manwith]

- she was clearly not trusted enough to be part of the conversation between Albert and Cole when they spoke about their meeting with BadCoop.

You mean the meeting where she was wearing a wire? They trusted her, they just didn't want their conversation to be recorded.