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It was the BIG cliffhanger of season 2!BEARisonFord wrote:Why do you say that? There may have just been no room for her in this story.
The show would be improved with MJA - his absence is really felt in the first episode - but I really love the Arm now. Especially its usage in this last episode. Just so unbelievably weird in the most brilliant way seeing it appear in tiny form on the street amidst all that.mtwentz wrote:Yep, pretty much seamlessly for me as well. Actually, I think the Arm has just brought it to a new level of weirdness that delights me.N. Needleman wrote:IIRC the story was that MJA pulled out right before the day of the shoot.
I don't know how many involved him actually going on location vs. cutting to the Red Room, but I think there were a number of Vegas-set scenes where either intercuts or visions of MIKE/Gerard in the Red Room or now the Arm have been used to stand in for what was planned for MJA. Seamlessly for me.
That being said, I think the initial viewership of the show may have been hurt by not having MJA in the promos. His image, maybe even more than Kyle's or Sheryl's, was the singular image that kind of summarized what Twin Peaks was about. This is probably why MJA mistakenly thought he could command a Kyle-like salary to appear in the new series.
Who knows, Lynch/Frost clearly do not care about pleasing expectations so I can't say I'm surprised. Also, the crux of the season 2 cliffhanger has everything to do with Cooper thematically, and very little to do with Annie, who is essentially just a story device to get him into the Lodge.Rhodes wrote:It was the BIG cliffhanger of season 2!BEARisonFord wrote:Why do you say that? There may have just been no room for her in this story.
Even if Lynch did not like Annie or Heather Graham or that plot, he mentions her name in The Return. So wouldn't it be better to have at least one shot with her (like with Leland)?
Could it be a deliberate choice to NOT have at least one scene with her (while she IS a part of season 3)?
I have been thinking the along the same lines: here is the full dialogue form Ben & Jerry:Denise's Pieces wrote:Consider the parallels between Jerry in this episode and DougieCoop:
Can't find his car.
He's Lost. He doesn't know where he is.
He calls for help.
Could Jerry be so high that he has reached a different plane of existence? Or his mind has become open to receiving distress signals from DougieCoop due to his vicinity of the Lodge in the woods? Or is he channeling DougieCoop's thoughts?
I believe there is a high probability this is simply just a funny scene between Jerry and Ben.Leebob wrote:I have been thinking the along the same lines: here is the full dialogue form Ben & Jerry:Denise's Pieces wrote:Consider the parallels between Jerry in this episode and DougieCoop:
Can't find his car.
He's Lost. He doesn't know where he is.
He calls for help.
Could Jerry be so high that he has reached a different plane of existence? Or his mind has become open to receiving distress signals from DougieCoop due to his vicinity of the Lodge in the woods? Or is he channeling DougieCoop's thoughts?
Ben: Jerry, Jerry, Jerry, Jerry, Jerry, What's going on?
Jerry: Someone Stole my car.
Ben: What?
Jerry: Didn't I tell ya?
Ben: Jerry, What's going on? Somone Stole your car?
Jerry: You say the same thing.
Ben: What?....Jerry
Jerry: I think I'm high!
Ben: Oh, good lord Jerry…
Jerry: I don't know where I am!
The line "you say the same thing" seems odd - Also, there are a number of long pauses, which makes me wonder if this scene might be timed to coincide side by side with the later scene with Janey-E, Dougie-coop and the cops.
Seems like there must have been on the evidence of E7?BEARisonFord wrote:Why do you say that? There may have just been no room for her in this story.Rhodes wrote:It is hardly conceivable that she wasn't even asked, is it?Ross wrote: She said she wasn't asked- but wishes she would have been.
Yeah I mean, again, this is not surprising. There's a chance Lynch/Frost simply did not want to continue any part of her narrative. Like I said above, Annie's entire character arc is basically a plot mechanism to get Cooper into the Lodge.Metamorphia wrote:Seems like there must have been on the evidence of E7?BEARisonFord wrote:Why do you say that? There may have just been no room for her in this story.Rhodes wrote:
It is hardly conceivable that she wasn't even asked, is it?
Weird, though.
No falling out or anything between Graham and Lynch by the sounds of it, yet no role in the series? Even when her character remains somewhat important and we have a huge 18 hour scope?
Yeah, that's all I can assume. You'd think it'd be something interesting to revisit though. Idk.BEARisonFord wrote:Yeah I mean, again, this is not surprising. There's a chance Lynch/Frost simply did not want to continue any part of her narrative. Like I said above, Annie's entire character arc is basically a plot mechanism to get Cooper into the Lodge.Metamorphia wrote:Seems like there must have been on the evidence of E7?BEARisonFord wrote:
Why do you say that? There may have just been no room for her in this story.
Weird, though.
No falling out or anything between Graham and Lynch by the sounds of it, yet no role in the series? Even when her character remains somewhat important and we have a huge 18 hour scope?
I've always assumed that's what a doppelgänger is. It's Coop, but his opposite, so where original Coop is principled and cares about people, Doppelcoop doesn't. He probably has plans and goals, they're just not nice ones. As opposed to BOB, who revels in pain and fear.sylviecerise wrote:Really like the theory that DoppelCoop knows all of Coop's desires/secrets/vices. That would play into the series really well. I would assume Audrey didn't know it was Coop assuming the theory is true & she did become pregnant? Would she just have assumed it was JJW?
I was super excited Annie got a mention- at least they didn't retcon her out completely. Although that likely had to do with including the FWWM message more than anything else.Rhodes wrote:It was the BIG cliffhanger of season 2!BEARisonFord wrote:Why do you say that? There may have just been no room for her in this story.
Even if Lynch did not like Annie or Heather Graham or that plot, he mentions her name in The Return. So wouldn't it be better to have at least one shot with her (like with Leland)?
Could it be a deliberate choice to NOT have at least one scene with her (while she IS a part of season 3)?
What I'm therefore predicting is: we will see Heather Graham in the Return.
I actually agree with you, but also find it fun to speculate since the similarities in the scenes gives the appearance of possibly being more than coincidental.BEARisonFord wrote: I believe there is a high probability this is simply just a funny scene between Jerry and Ben.
With how connected she was with the end story I'm not buying it either.BEARisonFord wrote:Why do you say that? There may have just been no room for her in this story.Rhodes wrote:It is hardly conceivable that she wasn't even asked, is it?Ross wrote: She said she wasn't asked- but wishes she would have been.
How is she connected in any other way besides getting Cooper into the Lodge? Not to diminish her character, but I think most of you are making a mountain out of a molehill.WhiteLodge90 wrote:With how connected she was with the end story I'm not buying it either.BEARisonFord wrote:Why do you say that? There may have just been no room for her in this story.Rhodes wrote:
It is hardly conceivable that she wasn't even asked, is it?
Josie and Chet Desmond I believe are similar as well that they both weren't asked seems fishy to me. Guess we'll see who was right in the end.
