Part 6 - Don't die (SPOILERS)

[KyleRickards]

Predictions time: Is Hawk going to look at the diary pages in the next episode, or will he all of a suddenly disappear and we won't find out what was in those pages until farther down the line?

I was guessing that next week will see the return of BadCoop storyline and then jumping back to Hawk the following week - but I could be way wrong!


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[mtwentz]

Predictions time: Is Hawk going to look at the diary pages in the next episode, or will he all of a suddenly disappear and we won't find out what was in those pages until farther down the line?

Hawk has appeared in every episode so far. It's very likely that we'll know about those pages next week.

I really hope so! I am chomping at the bit to find out.

[Leebob]

I am anticipating 3 pages of Laura's Diary in which she describes in excruciating detail the box of chocolate bunnies she received for Easter.
"Dear Diary,
In my hand I have a box of chocolate bunnies. I have given each one a name, One I have named Bob, one Windom, the third I have named Annie. Annie told me the name of the other one. She said the "Good Dale is in the bunny lodge and he can't get out"".

So I guess it is about the bunnies after all.

[IcedOver]

Just watched this part last night and wow . . . that was truly dreadful. Still in shock over how awful it was. I was initially resistant to the show, but rewatches have made me more positive . . . as long as the show gets moving. This part has made me fear nothing good is coming. Very worried.

[thedougpa]

The gap between people tuning in for entertainment/interest purposes and people tuning in for nostalgia/comfiness purposes grows ever wider. It's like having 25 years of the same meal to consume over and over again and then you finally get a different one and instead you ask for seconds of the original meal. I don't get the tendency for fans to need to return to it - it's there, it happened, go back and watch it if you wanna see it so bad. Time has moved on, you haven't. That "two pies" scene was definitely a commentary on the staunch quirky log tattoo pie and coffee TP fans.


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[qbin2001]

I think it says

"I keep going over it in my head, trying to understand. Oh Annie.''

It's no "I keep" but "(...)d keep" - you can see it few frames later.
It's no "over it" but "miss it".
It's no "Oh" - what you think is "O" is really part of "g" above.

[yaxomoxay]

I could be wrong about this, but I'm just wondering whether the people who have a major problem with slow scenes are people that don't meditate. We all know that David Lynch is really into meditation. We also know how most people these days can't sit still for more than a few seconds without looking at their phone for another dopamine hit from something quick and easy to be entertained by.

It's possible that Lynch's slow scenes are a perfect opportunity to practice being at peace in situations where nothing dramatic happens for a while.

I say this as someone who meditates a lot and who will happily spend quite a lot of time standing in the woods staring up at the trees as I watch them blow in the breeze. Spending 15 or 20 minutes watching a slow David Lynch scene is not really a problem for me. And I'm sure that these slow scenes make the dramatic scenes all the more dramatic. I had really settled into the slow pace of this episode when suddenly that kid got run over. That felt like I was suddenly grabbed and thrown against a wall. If the whole episode had been at that pace it wouldn't have been anywhere near as powerful.

But if the slow scenes and the Dougie Cooper saga are really just not your thing, that's totally fine, but maybe it means Lynch's style doesn't suit you? There are plenty of other things to watch, so there's no need to watch The Return? We're a 3rd of the way in, so it's obvious this is the style of this whole series. If you're not enjoying it, no need to torture yourself by forcing yourself to sit through it.

Or if you still want to watch the exciting bits, maybe you can skip watching the broadcast version and watch it online and skip through the bits you find boring? I know there's not a perfect solution, but this series is already done, and this is obviously the style of it, so maybe that's just the way it is.

Please excuse me while I go and eat a whole buckload of cheese, then complain that I don't like cheese and ask why can't they make cheese taste more like strawberries...

I honestly love the pacing of this series. To me the hour goes quite fast watching it, much faster than most original TP episodes (with few exceptions). I think that while the action is not fast, the concepts in it are. Dougie' storyline is certainly pacing faster than Donna-James-Maddie's triangle of love that didn't really bring anything substantial. When Dougie is on screen I am really waiting for what could happen next as I have no clue, and his storyline is impossible to predict.
Yesterday I rewatched Dougie's scene at his boss's office. I rewatched it five times. It is truly an outstanding scene.

I don't meditate as in zen/mindful meditation. However I read a lot (I am probably the only human that read Kissinger's tomes on government), I love playing chess, and I enjoy driving in the vast land of Texas for hours and hours.


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[boske]

I have watched the original show back when it aired, and I never expected a nostalgia trip, it would not work, it would dry up pretty quickly. The pacing is very slow, but there are clues that it is on purpose, I mean the first time we encounter DoppleCoop the music is very slowed down, and DoppleCoop's speech is also yrev very slow when Albert and Cole meet him. It is no coincidence that it was the tone that was set (no pun intended).

My issue is with all these characters and places that come and go: the sales agent who asked for Truman (which one?), NY billionaire, Ray, Buella, Chantal and her husband, George the lawyer, Hastings, his secretary, Morgans, Chip, Ben and Jerry, guests from NYC, two US Army officers, mr. Strawberry, who else did I forget? James and his friend with that glove? The ace card? Jeffries is a different matter for obvious reasons. I mean, even the Phillip Gerard asks Cooper to wake up, and more importantly different characters are saying that something's wrong (Hawk, Cole, Albert), mirroring some of the people's sentiments. My main beef with it is that we are being thrown all these names, and they simply vanish, never to be heard again.

As I infer above, the pace is slow for a reason, we have been given clues. Remember episode 29 and LMFAP and his rubbing his palms? Was he not slowing the time then? Could DoppleCoop not do it too? This has nothing to do with watching the show and meditating, please accept that some people who have issues with what has been shown have some pretty good arguments.

Anyway, this army of vanishing characters is something that I have an issue with, we have to start seeing some connections, we are 1/3 in. I do plan to watch it all and judge it when it ends, but right now I am getting concerned too (something's not right).

[N. Needleman]

My issue is with all these characters and places that come and go: the sales agent who asked for Truman (which one?), NY billionaire, Ray, Buella, Chantal and her husband, George the lawyer, Hastings, his secretary, Morgans, Chip, Ben and Jerry, guests from NYC, two US Army officers, mr. Strawberry, who else did I forget? James and his friend with that glove? The ace card? Jeffries is a different matter for obvious reasons. I mean, even the Phillip Gerard asks Cooper to wake up, and more importantly different characters are saying that something's wrong (Hawk, Cole, Albert), mirroring some of the people's sentiments. My main beef with it is that we are being thrown all these names, and they simply vanish, never to be heard again.

A lot of those people were never even seen, just mentioned. Not everything is plot-essential. The Morgans are not some dangling plot thread. And some are just one-off weirdos.

[Mr. Reindeer]

Dougie's gambling debt is distinct from his casino win. Are we to presume it's actually BadCoop who instigated the original - and ongoing - hit on his life?

That was certainly my (and I daresay most people's) initial reaction. However, Lorraine calls the phone in Buenos Aires, indicating that she reports directly to Jeffries (or whatever force he encountered down there). DoppelCoop seemed to be working with Jeffries, so perhaps they planned the hit on Dougie together....but we also know that Jeffries apparently hired Ray to kill DoppelCoop....and whoever DoppelCoop speaks to in Part 2 he initially believes to be Jeffries, but it's implied to be someone else, possibly the "experiment" that kills Tracey & Sam in NYC.

To me, it currently seems like the thing in the box co-opted Jeffries's identity and has it out for DoppelCoop, but it's unclear if the manufacturing of and hit on Dougie were planned by DoppelCoop or by Jeffries/"the experiment" behind DoppelCoop's back.

[N. Needleman]

I think the Bad Dale planned the hit in collusion with Jeffries/whoever he thought was Jeffries. He tells Darya he has a plan for staying out of the Lodge and he asks Ray for two guys for a job. Dougie would seem to be the plan and the guys would seem to be the insurance policy to get rid of the other Dale when he emerges from the Lodge. Both failed.

[thedarktrees]

Dougie's gambling debt is distinct from his casino win. Are we to presume it's actually BadCoop who instigated the original - and ongoing - hit on his life?

That was certainly my (and I daresay most people's) initial reaction. However, Lorraine calls the phone in Buenos Aires, indicating that she reports directly to Jeffries (or whatever force he encountered down there). DoppelCoop seemed to be working with Jeffries, so perhaps they planned the hit on Dougie together....but we also know that Jeffries apparently hired Ray to kill DoppelCoop....and whoever DoppelCoop speaks to in Part 2 he initially believes to be Jeffries, but it's implied to be someone else, possibly the "experiment" that kills Tracey & Sam in NYC.

To me, it currently seems like the thing in the box co-opted Jeffries's identity and has it out for DoppelCoop, but it's unclear if the manufacturing of and hit on Dougie were planned by DoppelCoop or by Jeffries/"the experiment" behind DoppelCoop's back.

This is one of the interesting that has developed (slowly) in the Dougie storyline: that a bunch of different people are out to get him (the older 50K football, the casino and the Mitchum bros, and the mysterious Jeffries-related hitmen). All this is escalating into some major scenario that Coop has to wake up to.

The scene with Janey-E though had me a bit confused tho: so DougieCoop wins $425K at the casino, which easily gives them the 50K to pay back Daniel Farady from Lost. So why is Janey-E nickel & diming them (relatively) when they clearly have enough to pay that debt make it all go away?

[OneEyedJack]

The gap between people tuning in for entertainment/interest purposes and people tuning in for nostalgia/comfiness purposes grows ever wider. It's like having 25 years of the same meal to consume over and over again and then you finally get a different one and instead you ask for seconds of the original meal. I don't get the tendency for fans to need to return to it - it's there, it happened, go back and watch it if you wanna see it so bad. Time has moved on, you haven't. That "two pies" scene was definitely a commentary on the staunch quirky log tattoo pie and coffee TP fans.


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Yes - it's overt when you realize it, especially in the town of Twin Peaks so far:

Your example above with the 2 pies.

Lucy and Sheriff with old and new phone.

Wally telling Lucy/Andy (to paraphrase): it's okay to turn my old bedroom into a new study.

Jerry telling Ben the hotel business is the old way to go to make money.

The Lucky 7 office guy taking the TEA instead of the COFFEE and enjoying it.

Even Carl Rodd, who wanted to stay where he was, moved the trailer park location.

[Mr. Reindeer]

I don't care if the diary pages are addressed in one week, two or three -- I'm fine with DKL's pace in all its maddening glory. However, from a nerdy statistical standpoint, I'm hoping Hawk is the only character besides Coop to appear in every Part!

[yaxomoxay]

The gap between people tuning in for entertainment/interest purposes and people tuning in for nostalgia/comfiness purposes grows ever wider. It's like having 25 years of the same meal to consume over and over again and then you finally get a different one and instead you ask for seconds of the original meal. I don't get the tendency for fans to need to return to it - it's there, it happened, go back and watch it if you wanna see it so bad. Time has moved on, you haven't. That "two pies" scene was definitely a commentary on the staunch quirky log tattoo pie and coffee TP fans.


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Yes - it's overt when you realize it, especially in the town of Twin Peaks so far:

Your example above with the 2 pies.

Lucy and Sheriff with old and new phone.

Wally telling Lucy/Andy (to paraphrase): it's okay to turn my old bedroom into a new study.

Jerry telling Ben the hotel business is the old way to go to make money.

The Lucky 7 office guy taking the TEA instead of the COFFEE and enjoying it.

Even Carl Rodd, who wanted to stay where he was, moved the trailer park location.

Don't forget:
- the real world changed. Heck, we didn't even have cell phones back then!
-We changed.

The old TP is gone as our 1989 self is gone. We are still him/her, but we're fundamentally different as the world is fundamentally different.



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