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Yes, it's the same intersection.pinballmars wrote:Recurring theme: Parents losing their children.
- Laura Palmer in the original series
- The little boy who gets run over at the intersection here by the hopped-up guy (UNSUBSTANTIATED FAN OBSERVATION I JUST READ: That intersection is the same one from Fire Walk With Me where Mike screams at Leland in traffic).
- And now the tidbit about Truman and his wife losing their son to suicide.
That's true. It wasn't nearly as alienating/disconnected. But I just wonder why Lynch never seems to want to delve into the lives and souls of these characters more. And it just seems a shame to still be able to use so many of these actors (it's a wonder so many are/were still alive) that it does just seem to me a shame to underuse them. And I'm really surprised that Frost seems to be underusing them too. I can really feel now for people like Fenn. It must have been disappointing. I think everything else you're saying is right. I just think it's a shame to underuse both the actors - and the characters. As a writer, I feel I would want to explore their lives more if given the chance. I know Lynch isn't really like that. But I would've thought Frost would be.N. Needleman wrote:I thought the slow track in on Norma last week, watching life unfold with Shelly and Becky, was lovely if an unconventional take on how to present the scene. I didn't find it nearly as alienating as that overhead wide shot in the diner from FWWM.
That's a good way to put it but I think a key difference in The Missing Pieces vs. the town here is FWWM was all about Laura's story, and the cuts (largely) had a right to be made, but Laura's story itself was still in the town of Twin Peaks, so it didn't feel like were were only glimpsing into the town. I shouldn't have to feel like I have to "check in" to the town/characters there as a whole that the show is named after, you see the difference?N. Needleman wrote:Personally I just think he's using those characters and locales when and where he feels appropriate. Layering them in slow. Some of the characters will have stories of their own I expect, and some probably won't - some will be relegated to vignettes, which is fine with me. I do think expecting a lot of characters to have stories of the level of screentime they used to have back in the day is probably not realistic. But we know characters like Shelly have stuff going on with various people. It's a question of when/where/how, and we do have a ways to go.
I honestly am not bothered by the use of the diner - I think it's warm and comforting like always every time we see it, especially tonight. I thought the slow track in on Norma last week, watching life unfold with Shelly and Becky, was lovely if an unconventional take on how to present the scene. I didn't find it nearly as alienating as that overhead wide shot in the diner from FWWM.
It doesn't bother me that we're not getting sustained scenes there because I just don't think the story is presently outfitted for that. It may never be, I don't know. It also wouldn't surprise me if we got more and more there and at other classic locales over time, but I don't need them to be constantly used right now. I think they go there when the moment is right and they want to evoke a certain aspect of the town. It just doesn't feel obligatory to me the way so many of the Missing Pieces did - they were lovely little scenes for people but you could tell (or at least I could) that most of them had no place in FWWM. Here, when they do stuff in Twin Peaks as the story begins to move in closer and closer on it each week, it feels increasingly consequential every time. Even if it's not a constant flow, it feels like there is a reason for it to happen vs. 'we have to check in.'
Just my two cents.
In theory yes, but that's the story we got. And I think so much of this story is Cooper's, much like FWWM was Laura's. Which is where things leave us with the town right now, but even now it is opening up more and more to TP-oriented stories every week.vicksvapor77 wrote:That's a good way to put it but I think a key difference in The Missing Pieces vs. the town here is FWWM was all about Laura's story, and the cuts were (largely) right to be made, but Laura's story itself was still in the town of Twin Peaks, so it didn't feel like were were only glimpsing into the town. I shouldn't have to feel like I have to "check in" to the town/characters there as a whole that the show is named after, you see the difference?
AnotherBlueRoseCase wrote:The Return is clearly guaranteed a future audience among stoners and other drug users.
I get where you're coming from just disagree on how it's being handled. Who's to say where the story "should" be going? I don't know how having James and Nadine in the background of scenes or a seemingly random vignette of a character that was in every single episode of the original series is doing any good. I feel like a lot of the Vegas stuff could be cut in half and we could get one scene an episode that lasts more than a minute where an actual new storyline is given to Ben or Norma. Maybe we'll get it soon but not soon enough. I also feel like most of the old characters who have appeared have served as reaction pieces to the new ones who get more intimate looks. For instance Mike, Shelly an Norma all react with Steven and or Becky and show their concern but when it comes time to get a progressive story it's the new characters that get the screen timeN. Needleman wrote:Personally I just think he's using those characters and locales when and where he feels appropriate. Layering them in slow. Some of the characters will have stories of their own I expect, and some probably won't - some will be relegated to vignettes, which is fine with me. I do think expecting a lot of characters to have stories of the level of screentime they used to have back in the day is probably not realistic. But we know characters like Shelly have stuff going on with various people. It's a question of when/where/how, and we do have a ways to go.
I honestly am not bothered by the use of the diner - I think it's warm and comforting like always every time we see it, especially tonight. I thought the slow track in on Norma last week, watching life unfold with Shelly and Becky, was lovely if an unconventional take on how to present the scene. I didn't find it nearly as alienating as that overhead wide shot in the diner from FWWM.
It doesn't bother me that we're not getting sustained scenes there because I just don't think the story is presently outfitted for that. It may never be, I don't know. It also wouldn't surprise me if we got more and more there and at other classic locales over time, but I don't need them to be constantly used right now. I think they go there when the moment is right and they want to evoke a certain aspect of the town. It just doesn't feel obligatory to me the way so many of the Missing Pieces did - they were lovely little scenes for people but you could tell (or at least I could) that most of them had no place in FWWM. Here, when they do stuff in Twin Peaks as the story begins to move in closer and closer on it each week, it feels increasingly consequential every time. Even if it's not a constant flow, it feels like there is a reason for it to happen vs. 'we have to check in.'
Just my two cents.
I'm not saying participating or not participating in something like this can't be bittersweet, but I really have trouble with the line of thinking that these actors and/or characters are somehow owed something for a show like this.Jonah wrote:I can sort of see now why there was grumblings among some of the actors - such as Fenn. It must have been difficult to wait so long for a show like this to come back (when it looked like it never would) and then be offered such small roles.
I think I'd be more concerned about it if I didn't feel confident they were going to come to some material of their own in due time.WhiteLodge90 wrote:I get where you're coming from just disagree on how it's being handled. Who's to say where the story "should" be going? I don't know how having James and Nadine in the background of scenes or a seemingly random vignette of a character that was in every single episode of the original series is doing any good.
AnotherBlueRoseCase wrote:The Return is clearly guaranteed a future audience among stoners and other drug users.
Perfectly stated.WhiteLodge90 wrote:I get where you're coming from just disagree on how it's being handled. Who's to say where the story "should" be going? I don't know how having James and Nadine in the background of scenes or a seemingly random vignette of a character that was in every single episode of the original series is doing any good. I feel like a lot of the Vegas stuff could be cut in half and we could get one scene an episode that lasts more than a minute where an actual new storyline is given to Ben or Norma. Maybe we'll get it soon but not soon enough. I also feel like most of the old characters who have appeared have served as reaction pieces to the new ones who get more intimate looks. For instance Mike, Shelly an Norma all react with Steven and or Becky and show their concern but when it comes time to get a progressive story it's the new characters that get the screen time
I think some of us just feel like this is far more lopsided portrayal of Twin Peaks than we were suspecting and would appreciate some more substance with characters that set the foundation for this very revival.
I think the fans are owed it. We're the ones that watch it. I fully respect Lynch and Frosts creative vision and right to create what they want but I think people are having a hard time with this because we know there's screentime that could be used for some substance in Twin Peaks and it seems Lynch is purposely focused more on these new locations in particular Vegas when I believe in the grand scheme of things Vegas will prove to really just be a placeholder for where the action will really take place and that is Twin Peaks. So why build up scenes with Dougies co workers or the casino workers (As good as some of these have been) When we all know by episode 12 they likely won't have anything to do with the story. I'd much rather have a scene or two sprinkled in with some sort of plot development with our original characters and not just ones where they're playing set up man to the newer ones.BEARisonFord wrote:I'm not saying participating or not participating in something like this can't be bittersweet, but I really have trouble with the line of thinking that these actors and/or characters are somehow owed something for a show like this.Jonah wrote:I can sort of see now why there was grumblings among some of the actors - such as Fenn. It must have been difficult to wait so long for a show like this to come back (when it looked like it never would) and then be offered such small roles.
My mouth is also continually agape at everyone who are having such a hard time with the heavy departures we've seen thus far either from character, actor, or story, when Fire Walk With Me basically wrote the book on disappointing expectations and not dwelling in the world of fan service. Heavy case of deja vu here.
This is fascinating. Thank you!vicksvapor77 wrote:I did want to post, I tried to do a rough count of how many minutes were spent in the town of Twin Peaks in each part. I think I counted the bands up until the end credits started rolling but I'd have to double-check:
Part 1: 9 mins
Part 2: 8 mins
Part 3: 7 mins
Part 4: 24 mins
Part 5: 20+ mins
Part 6: 22+ mins
So yes, we are definitely spending more town in the town lately. I hope the trend continues!
