Jerry Horne wrote:I'm all in on the Rancho Rosa is not a real place theory. Another clue would be that Rancho Rosa is not only a location on the show but the name of the production company. Rancho Rosa being two things at once. We also have the initials being the Same as the Red Room (although everybody in Rancho is helping D/C)
One topic I don't see being discussed is is why Dougie/Coop is being guided to the winning slots?
So just Rancho Rosa is not a real place, or the entire world (including the casino) surrounding Rancho Rosa is not a real place?
And if this is true, I wonder if the numbers the drugged out woman is shouting out hold some kind of clue?
I don't think Rancho Rosa is a manufactured reality. Why would drug addicts be living there? The idea behind a manufactured world would be that it was ideal in some sense in order to either protect or trap Cooper. Instead Rancho Rosa is realistically depicted as a place where addicts and sex industry workers go because it's not a thriving community yet.
The reason the Lodge is helping Cooper along with great luck is for the pragmatic reason that he needs help. Letting him win all the jackpots ultimately helps him find a relatively safe space with Dougie's family. Helping Dougie's family with their financial debt also helps to keep Cooper safe, for the time being.
We also have to imagine that the forces helping Cooper are from the White Lodge, so they help Cooper and others because they are essentially Good. Remember, these spirits do good for the sake of good just as the Black Lodge spirits do bad for the sake of bad.
But there is also the possibility that the White Lodge spirits want to repair Janey-E's life a bit because of the damage done to her by the manufactured dopple-Doug, which is ultimately the work of Bob-Coop.
I think Cooper will have some evil forces to take down in Vegas before he can move on to the next challenge,leading him ultimately to facing Bob-Coop.
Mibbler wrote:Another topic that has´t been mentioned yet:
In the scene where we first see Gordon & Albert at Philadelphia FBI headquarters gathered in a meeting, Albert is telling Gordon about a brutal murder commited by a man against his wife. He tells this man says he´s innocent and that he knows who really killed her but he doesn´t want to talk about it to avoid putting in risk national security. He also tells this man has said to Chris (one of the FBI agents present in the meeting) that he himself had left six objects in his garden of Georgetown as clues to find the killer. As Gordon carefully inspects these objects, the camera shows us the following:
-A photograph of a insinuating blonde woman in bikini.
-Pliers.
-A photograph of two women in bikini with sunglasses posing as if they were having a sunbath.
-A photograph of a little boy dressed in sailor´s uniform.
-A machine gun.
-A pot of pistachios?
After looking at these objects, Gordon only says: "The congressman´s dilemma!".
So, what do you think of this scene? Is the crime they are talking about ANOTHER murder probably commited by BOB possesing someone? At least, it looks so. Are you able to guess any meaning from those objects? I´m totally not. And, by the way, what is the meaning of Gordon´s sentence? I suppose it may be an american idiom, but I don´t get it...
Seemed like a visual non-sequitur joke, like the prostitutes and school kids in FWWM
Agreed. The fact that he's hidden the clues for finding the real killer in his garden. It's one of the funnier scenes in season 3 so far.
I also like the “The congressman´s dilemma”-scene and took it as a trivial fun moment. Maybe because there is already so much other things going on, but I wouldn’t read too much into it.
Jerry Horne wrote:I'm all in on the Rancho Rosa is not a real place theory. Another clue would be that Rancho Rosa is not only a location on the show but the name of the production company. Rancho Rosa being two things at once. We also have the initials being the Same as the Red Room (although everybody in Rancho is helping D/C)
One topic I don't see being discussed is is why Dougie/Coop is being guided to the winning slots?
Maybe too straight forward, but I think he is guided to the winning slots because he will need the money in order not to get killed (his wife is very relieved he got the cash: “this is the strangest and best day of my life” or something of sorts). I like to think the killers were not directly envolved in the whole bad Coop / good Coop storyline but were just actually waiting on Dougie. Maybe he has long time debts and after several warnings the killers are hired to assassinate him.
The bump on the road near Sycamore Street and the winning slots are also ‘helping hands’ in order of good Coop not being killed because of the fuck ups that Dougie made during his manufactured life...
mtwentz wrote:So speaking of Drugged out Mother, this Rancho Rosa is a pretty seedy place for something that looks like a nice new suburban development. You've got one house being used by a prostitute and another by a drug addict.
I wonder what if any significance Rancho Rosa will have to the overall plot. Is it yet another Lynchian example of 'things aren't what they seem"?
Also accurate satire of actual America.
Haha, the irony of Goop's journey, his fall to earth as a brain dead nobody, to end up between ... yeah, brain dead people; nevertheless many of them seem to have a good heart. Dougie's wife acts indifferent to any change, probably because she is fully functioning in automatic day to day attitude. Dougie's kid just plays the game his dad "engages."
About the joke of "The congressman´s dilemma!". All evidence that was spread out on the table seem distractions purposefully left by the killer, and the paradox is that there is no other way than to investigate these distractions thoroughly to solve the crime.
By the way, talking about irony. The glass box. This whole orchestration of two people watching a glass box, and this guy recording each and every image of what happens or what not happens inside the box. The slow pace of each boring occurrence in that dull concrete room, does not that mirror our own lives in some exaggerated way? Aren't we all watching and waiting for something that brings some excitement from our own "glass box"?
Did Tracey and the guy (what's his name?) miss the most important moment. The moment that Goop appeared in darkening time/space frame-slices; as if he were a creature manufactured from and caught by digital-video-frames?
Mibbler wrote:Another topic that has´t been mentioned yet:
In the scene where we first see Gordon & Albert at Philadelphia FBI headquarters gathered in a meeting, Albert is telling Gordon about a brutal murder commited by a man against his wife. He tells this man says he´s innocent and that he knows who really killed her but he doesn´t want to talk about it to avoid putting in risk national security. He also tells this man has said to Chris (one of the FBI agents present in the meeting) that he himself had left six objects in his garden of Georgetown as clues to find the killer. As Gordon carefully inspects these objects, the camera shows us the following:
-A photograph of a insinuating blonde woman in bikini.
-Pliers.
-A photograph of two women in bikini with sunglasses posing as if they were having a sunbath.
-A photograph of a little boy dressed in sailor´s uniform.
-A machine gun.
-A pot of pistachios?
After looking at these objects, Gordon only says: "The congressman´s dilemma!".
So, what do you think of this scene? Is the crime they are talking about ANOTHER murder probably commited by BOB possesing someone? At least, it looks so. Are you able to guess any meaning from those objects? I´m totally not. And, by the way, what is the meaning of Gordon´s sentence? I suppose it may be an american idiom, but I don´t get it...
I'd have to watch it again but I just took it as a gag. It gets progressively weirder and we're painting a mental picture of this crazy guy, and at the end Cole lets us know that this suspect is actually someone in a position of great power. Or it could just be a Lynch non-sequitur..
That certainly is quite something. Might be a coincidence, but the throat slashing gestures combined with the actual throat slashing by the thing in the box is eerie.
Jep. Also Sam and Naido telling the other person to be quiet at the same time.
And Cooper being shocked at the same time 'the thing' gets out of the box...
I don't know. Might be that the cabin in space is inside the glass box, however, the banging continues after the attack (When Nairo is gone and "American girl" is warning him for her mother.
That certainly is quite something. Might be a coincidence, but the throat slashing gestures combined with the actual throat slashing by the thing in the box is eerie.
I hate naked links. FYI: this is a good link to a video where someone synced up video from Coop's view, and Sam and Tracey's view. Good stuff!
I had postulated earlier that Bad Coop wanted Good Coop to get trapped in the box for the arrival of the slasher. This video takes a slightly different, but also similar view more from an angle of things happening in two worlds simultaneously, and the slasher doing its thing while Naido is warning him sternly to not go through outlet 15.
Also of interest is the banging sound occurred only while Sam and Tracey were getting it on. This has me thinking that the banging sound that occurred before Coop went through outlet 3 (a bit later) was when Dougie and Jade were getting it on. If true, I don't even want to think of the jokes possible with the phrase: "My mother is coming..."
. Brings back some memories