Parts 3 & 4 - Call for help & ...brings back some memories (SPOILERS)

[douglasb]

Abstract art is "independent of traditional meaning" but you sure as hell better buy crappy acting as being meaningful! Oh, and that tiresome pace? It's to make "situations meaningful"!

And here's me thinking I was just too stupid to understand.

[bob_wooler]

Damn there are some great characters who haven't appeared yet. Gimme some Carl Rodd. It's like they are giving us just enough scenes in Twin Peaks so people don't get pissed. So I'm thinking a lot of roads lead to Twin Peaks and perhaps that is when the Badalamenti music returns in full force.

Many are saying that's the case but I have my doubts. Maybe when Cooper realizes who he is and returns to Twin Peaks then we'll get the music but I have my doubts...

As far as characters whom we haven't seen yet from the original

-Norma
-Big Ed
- Nadine
- Mike
- Carl Rodd
- Dr. Hayward
- Audrey

Am I forgetting anyone?

Also I really hope we get more of the Hornes. I feel kind of duped with them.

Betty
Heidi

Johnny Horne
Edit: still not shure he'll show up though.

[Jasper]

I'm really surprised how many Twin Peaks fans on a Twin Peaks community board seem to misunderstand key concepts of Lynch and his vision for Twin Peaks. Just a few rants I would like to share.

1. Abstract art doesn't have an "answer" that you are supposed to "get" its about something visual that is independent of traditional meaning. It is supposed to allow interpretation which is independent for every viewer. I love the many of the theories people come up with but I think its one of the least interesting parts of Twin Peaks. The plot in a conventional sense.

Lynch really isn't all that abstract. He tells stories and likes to tell stories, and declares this openly, and this is the reason he gave for rejecting the "surrealist" label. He is also big on puzzles and clues, and says this openly as well. Maybe his experiment with Inland Empire bucks this trend, but otherwise Lynch the storyteller is just as important as Lynch the stylist and Lynch the communicator of big concepts.

[krishnanspace]

Betty Briggs is Bobby's Mom

Lol

[musicaddict]

I'm really surprised how many Twin Peaks fans on a Twin Peaks community board seem to misunderstand key concepts of Lynch and his vision for Twin Peaks. Just a few rants I would like to share.

1. Abstract art doesn't have an "answer" that you are supposed to "get" its about something visual that is independent of traditional meaning. It is supposed to allow interpretation which is independent for every viewer. I love the many of the theories people come up with but I think its one of the least interesting parts of Twin Peaks. The plot in a conventional sense.

2. The acting is supposed to be the opposite of "naturalistic" which is why they make fun of Brando who was the main proponent of the "method" acting that told actors to use real things that happened in their life to make their acting more realistic. The acting in Lynch films is stylized to be parody of soap operas but also surrealistic and overly dramatic, while at the same time mundane, silly, heightened, bizarre. This is a conscious choice to make the acting match the dreamlike qualities of the subject matter. But, still you see posts that complain about the acting being silly or unrealistic by supposed Lynch fans!

3. Then, you get stupid comments like "The rhythm is just so off." The pace in Lynch movies is one of the biggest tools in his toolbox. The idea is, like someone else said on this board, to bring a heighten focus on the uncanny. The pace allows the viewer to focus on the situation as a whole. The perfect example of this would be 2001, or really most things by Kubrick. If you edit something like a TV commercial, it just becomes background noise. The pace for Lynch is key to make the situations meaningful, uncanny, and ironic.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but I don't see why we need another condescending post like this. If you get it/enjoy - great.

[Jasper]

Some of Lynch's compositions in this thing are masterly, he has a painter's eye. The gruesome head / torso scene reminded me of Lucian Freud, and a few of the Lodge scenes have reminded me of another of Lynch's favourite artists, Francis Bacon.

I've been meaning to get to this, but haven't had time. I was interested that you mentioned Bacon in connection with the lodge scenes. I'd say that, yes, there's some in there, not least of all with the fleshy head of The Arm, but also in some of the composition. There's also arguably some Bacon in the finding of the clump of flesh in the back of the car.

During most of the lodge scenes I was just thinking how it was like contemporary Lynch paintings come to life. I too had Bacon in mind, but this was in relation to the glass box in NYC. Here are a few examples of Francis Bacon's work which might bring to mind the glass box, and also the thing that appeared there:

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[silvo]

Rewatching the Dougie scene in part 4 (take five) and considering what someone else here told about that "you can get out now" means get born come out to the world, I am thinking that 3 and 15 is the age that Cooper will get at.
Laura is like the voice of the mother, that the baby is hearing in the womb, as ti was mentioned.
Cooper comes out at age 3. Cooper is changing from baby to kid, starting realizing the world, miming movements, doing funny staff and can't separate if a desire for something that he likes (coffee) is sometimes unhealthy, bad for himself.
Maybe the good spirits wanted to send him back from start to pass through firstly the knowing of the world and how it is formed in the current years and then move to an older age.

As someone else told that the story will be in 3 parts. Maybe then the second part is the age of 15, where Cooper will struggling with puberty. Maybe the DoppleCooper is his self that falls for passions and catastrophic habits and choices, like Laura did. DoopleCooper might be this angry teenager, which faces a lot of changes to himself and try to be cool and accepted to the world. So, maybe the next part is to face the puberty.

The last one part then will be in the age of 50, which will be in twin peaks. In this story maybe twin peaks is the area where middle age crisis will be faced.

Maybe the whole story is for middle age crisis that Cooper has to face and the previous parts is what shaped Cooper and become that man in the age of 50.

[chalfont]

Ok... Watching the first 2 episodes I had mixed feelings. Then episode 3&4 - the casino scene was hard to watch, some of Andy & Lucy stuff too....I really wasn't sure about this. But, having this spinning around in my head for the next days, it makes me fell better and better. Actually, this reminds me of when I first saw FWWM, and probably, most of Lynch' work. I have decided NOT to rewatch episodes over and over - I'm going to do a Fred Madison: "I like to remember things my own way"...All throughout the day, scenes keep popping out in my head:
-The Giant with Cooper (and the girl running in the pilot)
-Chromatics at the Roadhouse with Shelly and James
-Opening of episode 3 - asian woman
-Wally Brando
-The box in New York
-Mister C vomiting cream corn and engine oil
-Cole and Albert in that blue scene
-The figure in the cell
-Sarah Palmer
-Jacoby, Hornes
-Hawk saying "Good night" to Log Lady......

There are so much great stuff in here. I feel this is going to be like watching Inland Empire: A lot of it is going to be hard and weird to sit through, but in the end it is all going to be absoluty amazing

[Trudy Chelgren]

EvanM wrote:
Some of Lynch's compositions in this thing are masterly, he has a painter's eye. The gruesome head / torso scene reminded me of Lucian Freud, and a few of the Lodge scenes have reminded me of another of Lynch's favourite artists, Francis Bacon.

I instantly saw the influence of his fine art work in this iteration of Twin Peaks. This is one of Lynch's works from back in the 60's, looks familiar:

[Another owl]

I still think it will be very disappointing if they just not mention her at all. And Caroline too, for all that matters.

I think if there is an Annie revelation, it won't happen until Coop gets to Twin Peaks (where, even if he's been back to his full self for a while, it'll probably be where he really finally gets that final flood of memories that really makes him wonder what happened to Annie after all these years).

I do think she's dead as a doornail though regardless. I think Bad Coop probably saw to it pretty quickly.

It would be pretty amusing if the episode where everything hits Cooper again ended with him saying "How's Annie?" (obviously not going to happen tho)

Well, I confess that I was waiting for the " How's Annie?" line when he was looking at the mirror at Dougie's house.

[Here Comes That Bob]

Coop's ID says he was born in 1973. Was that a mistake or...?

[Soolsma]

He was 16 years old during the pilot.

[WhiteLodge90]

I loved that Horne brothers scene. They didn't miss a beat.

As I've previously stated it wasn't the actors I felt duped by it was the randomness of the scene and the way it was shot.

- No music
- All shot from far away
- Weird place it was cut

Now I know the obvious retort to this is that it was done on purpose and we will see why later and that very well could be true. But if for some reason it ends up being the only scene with them I'd be supremely disappointed.

[mtwentz]

Damn there are some great characters who haven't appeared yet. Gimme some Carl Rodd. It's like they are giving us just enough scenes in Twin Peaks so people don't get pissed. So I'm thinking a lot of roads lead to Twin Peaks and perhaps that is when the Badalamenti music returns in full force.

I am pretty sure all the Twin Peaks scenes (outside of the Sheriff station scenes with Hawk) are only being put there this early in the movie so as to remind us we'll get to Twin Peaks eventually.

Other than that, they are very reminiscent of the Missing Pieces- scenes that were pulled out of the final cut because they led nowhere. But eventually I think they will lead somewhere. There's no question in my mind that the Sarah Palmer, Shelley, James scenes will lead somewhere.

The big question in my mind is what role will Ben and Jerry Horne play in the new season, if any. I loved that scene, but it did not really hint at what a greater role the Horne brothers might play in Season 3. Unless maybe, just maybe, people are on to something with the 'New York' connection.

[Audrey Horne]

With the Horne brothers, couldn't it be the line about her New York friends keep our spa running. A throwaway line but down the line we have New Yorkers in Peaks checking on the portal in the Grove? The box in New York being a portal, and the unknown billionaire has spies in Peaks.