Parts 3 & 4 - Call for help & ...brings back some memories (SPOILERS)

[seacow]

let's talk about the ring, though. the last time we saw it was the nurse who stole it from annie, right? maybe ruth davenport is that nurse. but why would dougie have it? i do believe in the idea that dougie's whole world is one manufactured by badcoop/bob, and is a stepping stone towards the goodcoop coming back into the real world.

[seacow]

my biggest question for ep3: why did 'naido' not let Dale pass through the door marked '15?' were it not for dougie and badcoop's plan, the good dale would have gone thru the outlet marked 15 and never met the arm's doppelgänger marking him "non-exist-ent." the woman with no eyes (naido) must be aligned with BOB.


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Maybe she knew this and felt Dougie had to be destroyed.

yes perfection! the very fact that dougie exists makes him another stepping stone to Cooper's redemption. another facet of his personality. just as badcoop and BOB represent "the evil that men do," Cooper must confront each facet of his being to truly reconcile his eternal soul. as i said, lodge spirits are transient. i thought she might be malevolent but she could be helping cooper in the end.

it honestly didnt surprise me to see kyle in a third role we've never heard of. after all, we've been seeing maddy and hearing of a third redhead sheryl lee all these years. in a world of doppelgängers... is it really so strange? in a chartreuse jacket? a disposable cooper?

[bastia]

my biggest question for ep3: why did 'naido' not let Dale pass through the door marked '15,' forcing him to climb out of the room and sacrificing herself (maybe to 'mother?'), to go back to the room with 'american girl,' forcing him to pass through the outlet marked '3' and to switch with dougie rather than the badcoop? it's obvious that lodge spirits are not clearly aligned with good or evil, they are rather transient and work to their own ends but -- in my interpretation, were it not for dougie and badcoop's plan, the good dale would have gone thru the outlet marked 15 and never met the arm's doppelgänger marking him "non-exist-ent." the woman with no eyes (naido) must be aligned with BOB.


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I guess that is because with number 3 he would have got out in the car. Where bad coop was.

She did not want him to die, so she changed it to fit the location.


Anyway they are explaining a lot, David Bowie was trapped in the lodge. In FWWM i guess we have seen the good jeffries, but i guess there is another one, out in the world.

[oxyboldine]

Also- anyone else wondering when the gum is going to be back in style?

Hi ! I am a new poster here (from France). I love to read your forum.

Don't you think that's a gum, on top of « the evolution of the arm » ? The Man from another place used to say « that gum you like is going to come back in style » + he said «when you'll see me again it won't be me» and in FWWM « i am the arm ».

So « the evolution of the arm », another form of him, with a new style of gum (his haid) !?

[krishnanspace]

let's talk about the ring, though. the last time we saw it was the nurse who stole it from annie, right? maybe ruth davenport is that nurse. but why would dougie have it? i do believe in the idea that dougie's whole world is one manufactured by badcoop/bob, and is a stepping stone towards the goodcoop coming back into the real world.

Ruth Davenport is a librarian

[Jasper]

my biggest question for ep3: why did 'naido' not let Dale pass through the door marked '15,' forcing him to climb out of the room and sacrificing herself (maybe to 'mother?'), to go back to the room with 'american girl,' forcing him to pass through the outlet marked '3' and to switch with dougie rather than the badcoop? it's obvious that lodge spirits are not clearly aligned with good or evil, they are rather transient and work to their own ends but -- in my interpretation, were it not for dougie and badcoop's plan, the good dale would have gone thru the outlet marked 15 and never met the arm's doppelgänger marking him "non-exist-ent." the woman with no eyes (naido) must be aligned with BOB.


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I guess that is because with number 3 he would have got out in the car. Where bad coop was.

She did not want him to die, so she changed it to fit the location.


Anyway they are explaining a lot, David Bowie was trapped in the lodge. In FWWM i guess we have seen the good jeffries, but i guess there is another one, out in the world.

I didn't have the sense that Naido was evil, but we might spend the rest of our lives trying to figure out that incredible scene. The door (or plug/portal) was originally marked 15 (1+5=6, and 6 is usually bad in Lynch's world). On the roof she pulls a big lever, and someone pointed out that this is very much like the lever of a one-armed bandit. Maybe pulling the lever changed the number showing below, like the arm of the slot machine changes the symbols showing on the machine. It looked sort of like Naido was making a sacrifice. At this point it's very hard to say. Both Naido and American Girl tried to keep Cooper quiet or otherwise not attract their (or American Girl's) "mother." The identity of the so-called mother remains to be seen.

I'm glad Phoebe Augustine got to be a part of such a phenomenal scene.

[SatisfactionJackson]

No E.T. Associations on here?

Or did I miss them?


“HOME”

[N. Needleman]

Cannot describe how much I wish Naido had been Josie. But that scene was so incredible as is.

Just hope Ronette is okay. (Probably not)

[silvo]

Maybe DoppleCoop was driving in purpose far away from electricity, in order to avoid the change with Coop. But he didn't thought of the charging hole in the car and he tried to keep himself. So, he might knew that Coop would need other way out.

But I think naido is a bad spirit. Because if Coop was waiting for the car accident he could change with DoopleCoop. But he trusted naido which change the transfer. It was a risk either way. Coop shouldn't fall in the trap of "the mother" and wait to figure out what to do.

Naido in Japanese means no etc ( without anything else). If you spell it backwards means odian, which in Spanish means "they hate", plural form of odiar "I hate". Since, the blind woman is like a japanese girl, I would prefer the first translate, which explains the eyes and no voice thing.

[silvo]

Also, why the shoes left behind? Might be a proof that the spirits succeed to trick Cooper?

[Xavi]

Ep3 "You can go out now...Come on now, let's go baby" ----> Birth

The Man Who Fell To Earth
So it happened. Good Coop managed to find a way out of the black lodge. He was guided by pure love, yeah she is blind and dressed in red. Then something spectacular occurred; bad Coop geared up the mountain and lost consciousness and at the same time Mr Jones got some sort of a stroke. These coincidences enabled the impossible. Two Coops in the real world. The good one has to start from a complete blank slate, let's call it amnesia and he has to learn all human behaviour as a new born, as The Man Who Fell To Earth Yeah, Mr Jones, Phillip Jeffreys is near, isn't he?

"Call for help." "Hellloooooo"
So Dougie listens to the One Armed Slotmachines, didn't the Giant tell him? He gets rewarded. Finally he arrives home, at the red door, where his wife, played by the magnificent Naomi Watts, gets him in. She opens the bag and finds money, lots of money, but she seems not aware yet that her husband is someone completely different; a brand new individual with no history so to speak. A lot of money and amnesia. Will Mrs Jones also start an investigation to unravel her partner's true identity?

It is slapstick as great as Chaplin's and it is drama at the same time, yet I think it is extraordinary funny, and somehow simultaneously connected to Henry from Eraserhead.

Even the Man in the Green Coat makes his appearance; the two-timer husband from INLAND EMPIRE. Well Dougie, also knew where he could play outside.

For sure Lynch weaves a wonderful associative web to tell a miraculous story. So far, I think this is better than Twin Peaks ; - )

[Jasper]

Cannot describe how much I wish Naido had been Josie. But that scene was so incredible as is.

Just hope Ronette is okay. (Probably not)

Ronette as in the living person in Twin Peaks, or Ronette as in American Girl in the room?

I understand, but there may be a very good narrative reason why Josie doesn't appear. Maybe they had/have a plan for Josie, but it didn't fit in the 18 hours. It seems like they have more ideas, and if the casting info is anywhere close to correct, Chester Desmond will not appear, and neither will Catherine for that matter. Harry seems like he won't appear (hard to say) and even Annie (How's Annie?) of all people. If they do get to continue the story like they seem to want to, they'll have a lot of storytelling possibilities to explore.

Going back to Harry, I am so glad that he is "sick" rather than dead, or even worse, recast. It gives me hope.

[Cstar84]

my biggest question for ep3: why did 'naido' not let Dale pass through the door marked '15,' forcing him to climb out of the room and sacrificing herself (maybe to 'mother?'), to go back to the room with 'american girl,' forcing him to pass through the outlet marked '3' and to switch with dougie rather than the badcoop? it's obvious that lodge spirits are not clearly aligned with good or evil, they are rather transient and work to their own ends but -- in my interpretation, were it not for dougie and badcoop's plan, the good dale would have gone thru the outlet marked 15 and never met the arm's doppelgänger marking him "non-exist-ent." the woman with no eyes (naido) must be aligned with BOB.


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I guess that is because with number 3 he would have got out in the car. Where bad coop was.

She did not want him to die, so she changed it to fit the location.

Anyway they are explaining a lot, David Bowie was trapped in the lodge. In FWWM i guess we have seen the good jeffries, but i guess there is another one, out in the world.

Hmm I interpret it differently. If he had gone out the outlet marked 3, he would have come out in the car but then wouldn't he have traded places with Bad Coop, thereby restoring balance and trapping Bad Coop
back in the lodge? Which then makes me think "Naido" is indeed malevolent.

[Here Comes That Bob]

Cannot describe how much I wish Naido had been Josie. But that scene was so incredible as is.

Just hope Ronette is okay. (Probably not)

Ronette as in the living person in Twin Peaks, or Ronette as in American Girl in the room?

I understand, but there may be a very good narrative reason why Josie doesn't appear. Maybe they had/have a plan for Josie, but it didn't fit in the 18 hours. It seems like they have more ideas, and if the casting info is anywhere close to correct, Chester Desmond will not appear, and neither will Catherine for that matter. Harry seems like he won't appear (hard to say) and even Annie (How's Annie?) of all people. If they do get to continue the story like they seem to want to, they'll have a lot of storytelling possibilities to explore.

Going back to Harry, I am so glad that he is "sick" rather than dead, or even worse, recast. It gives me hope.

Yeah Piper Laurie said she waited for the call, but never got any. So it's safe to say she won't appear. I wouldn't bet the same for Chester Desmond though.

[NorthwestDreamer]

If bad Coop shares Good Coop's ability to win money than the 'rich billionaire' who is responsible for the cameras in New York may be bad Coop.

Following this logic, what if bad Coop is the owner of the Silver Mustang Casino?'