Part 5 - Case files (SPOILERS)

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I'm not sure if I felt Jacoby was necessarily a con-man or being harmful to others in that scene. I think a lot of people would empathize with what he's saying, and certainly at least two (Jerry and Nadine) were shown doing so.
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LateReg wrote:I'm not sure if I felt Jacoby was necessarily a con-man or being harmful to others in that scene. I think a lot of people would empathize with what he's saying, and certainly at least two (Jerry and Nadine) were shown doing so.
I agree. However, I also think the irony of an ex-hippie using antiestablishment rhetoric to further a capitalist venture is a very Mark Frost bit of cynicism.
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We have to ask what is Jacoby trying to do in selling his gold shovels? Is he selling people a symbol of action that suggests individuals need to start fixing themselves and the world? Is so, there's no aspect of con here.

If, on the other hand, he's trying to fool people into buying a shovel to somehow literally spend their time somehow digging holes to fix their concrete problems, then yes, this can be seen as a con.

But I don't see how anyone can believe he's doing the latter, selling people a literal, not symbolic, tool.

And if Jacoby is selling people a symbol to motivate action, that doesn't contradict the "hippie" perspective. Hippies, or the left in general, aren't necessarily against economic transactions, but the exploitation of labor for profit or the exploitation of consumers.

Is selling consumers a symbol a form of exploitation? Not if you're honest that it's a symbol. And selling it for a fair price.
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Amy Shiels' Candie doing her little hand wave thing reminded me of the dancing boy at the High School in the Pilot. And both characters were completely in their own worlds. Very Lynchian. Anyone crafty enough to put those two images side by side? (I'm not!)
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Have we considered the nursery rhyme in full:

Hey, diddle, diddle, 

The cat and the fiddle, 

The cow jumped over the moon; 

The little dog laughed 

To see such sport, 

And the dish ran away with the spoon



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manalicream wrote:Have we considered the nursery rhyme in full:

Hey, diddle, diddle, 

The cat and the fiddle, 

The cow jumped over the moon; 

The little dog laughed 

To see such sport, 

And the dish ran away with the spoon



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I was considering this poem and the only thing I could think of was The Black Dog Runs At Night.
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dropkick23 wrote:Anyone notice the hand of the guy choking the girl blend in/morph with her neck during that scene?
I didn't see that - will have to re-watch. :shock:
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AuralAmpler wrote:
dropkick23 wrote:Anyone notice the hand of the guy choking the girl blend in/morph with her neck during that scene?
I didn't see that - will have to re-watch. :shock:
THAT NEVER EVER HAPPENED
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That's just a bad CGI render, it was debunked a few pages back. Don't read too much into it
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Ragnell wrote:
Wonderful & Strange wrote:@Ragnell

That's a really strong post. I agree with pretty much all of it except I think we may not know yet what exactly gold signifies.

Did the gold pearl signify artificiality or did it signify identity/self? Did it imply that Cooper's identity, the golden pearl, had been taken from him and placed into Dougie?
Not enough data to go off of, I guess. I'll be watching for gold now to see if it holds up, though.
Everyone noticed that Cooper lost his pin when he went through the socket/portal. He also seems to have no badge (though that could have gone out 25 years prior with the doppelganger). We've not failed to notice that he also lost his identity. When Coop is in the Dougie bedroom and sees Gerard (this is what they're calling him for some reason) in the lodge, Gerard holds up the gold ball and tells Coop that he's been tricked. I take this to mean that the pin and Cooper's identity got swept along with Dougie into the lodge, somehow, and that this golden ball represents Cooper's identity, possibly in the form of the metal from his pin.

I'm not 100% on this, but it's how I read the scene, and I've yet to see anything more convincing.
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A while back someone posted a dream critic who wrote an article analyzing Twin Peaks as Cooper's dream. While I found her reading too reductive, she did bring up the idea that gold often represents one's identity in dreams. So I do think it's probable that's what Lynch and Frost are referring to with the gold pearl and even the shovels.

Both are symbols of attaining one's identity.
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Wonderful & Strange wrote:A while back someone posted a dream critic who wrote an article analyzing Twin Peaks as Cooper's dream. While I found her reading too reductive, she did bring up the idea that gold often represents one's identity in dreams. So I do think it's probable that's what Lynch and Frost are referring to with the gold pearl and even the shovels.

Both are symbols of attaining one's identity.
I remember that dream analyst. You've made a very interesting comment. If we see the gold as Cooper's identity, then we can very much see Cooper as being in the process of digging for that gold in the deepest recesses of his psyche.
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I just had a revelation about Dorris. Her speech is exactly like Carl Rodd's. So much so I bet she's his daughter. And that also explains her attitude.
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The most important thing about the shovels, at least to me anyway, is the fact that they're gold. Gold conducts electricity. The lodge denizens transmute themselves into reality through electricity. Potential for some bad stuff there imo. BTW the fan in Laura's house is gold. Something to think about. :idea:
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Giving the episode a rewatch right now.

He's learned "Agent", so, I wonder how Dougie will learn his name again.

At this point, my bet is that someone will mention D.B. Cooper. Hell, it's his full name (Dale Bartholomew Cooper). Maybe he'll wander aimlessly back into the casino, get hassled by one of the casino heads who says he was trying to make off with their money like D.B. Cooper or some such.

Or maybe he'll just see a "Dale" or "Cooper" somewhere in those insurance files.
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