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Postby AXX°N N. » Tue Dec 10, 2019 4:57 pm

I was initially extremely disappointed in the diecast Laura/Coop, thinking I got a really badly done one, and spent like 5 minutes attacking ugly tags and blotches with a paring knife, preparing to try and scrub the $#!% out of it because it looked so bad and dirty. Suffice it to say, TEAR OFF THE PLASTIC COVER. It might not look like it, but that sucker is protecting a pretty clean looking underbelly! :lol:

EDIT: BTW, I reccomend removing the tape & magnets from the plastic standee protector, and just taping that to the bottom of the diecast. Looks better that way. :wink:
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Postby Mr. Reindeer » Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:08 pm

BGate wrote:
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tid wrote:Any confirmation if the distracting music and narration is included in the new behind the scenes footage this time? Please tell me it is not there!


I've only watched one but it looks like none of that is there.


And was it all new footage or a mix like we suspected?


Not to toot my own horn, but as I expected, there are the ten discs from The Entire Mystery and the eight discs from A Limited Event Series, exactly as they were (including the BTS features with the Beymer docs, and the aggravating Wim Wenders imitator). There are also two additional discs, and those include additional BTS features for all eighteen Parts, of 20+ minutes in length each, which upon a cursory examination are ENTIRELY footage NOT previously included on the earlier release. This is incredible, and I can’t wait to dive into it.

That said, the packaging feels cheap and the disc holders overly tight, and I’m afraid the discs will get scuffed. A particularly real fear on an edition that will soon be out of print.
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Postby AXX°N N. » Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:41 pm

Yeah I dismantled the sleeve holding the 4K episodes into a regular CD jewel case because it was strangulation tight. As for the regular sleeve holders, there's lots of weird sharp pockets to hit the discs, and they not only feel cheap, they have a few manufacturing blotches. So do the Red Room cards. The box itself seems well made though and the die-cut is cool. Sort of a mixed bag.
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Postby Mr. Reindeer » Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:51 pm

AXX°N N. wrote:Yeah I dismantled the sleeve holding the 4K episodes into a regular CD jewel case because it was strangulation tight. As for the regular sleeve holders, there's lots of weird sharp pockets to hit the discs, and they not only feel cheap, they have a few manufacturing blotches. So do the Red Room cards. The box itself seems well made though and the die-cut is cool. Sort of a mixed bag.


Agreed. But maintaining the integrity of the discs themselves is my biggest priority, and it’s always frustrating when I have to make a choice between transporting the discs to jewel cases vs. just storing them in the package they were actually intended to be stored/displayed in. I don’t understand how in this day and age, DVD/Blu Ray manufacturers haven’t managed to weed out the packaging designs that are damaging to playback. Like, that should be first-day stuff. How does this kind of thing get to market? The absolute worst was the complete Mad Men box set, which is beautifully designed except that the excessively tight disc pockets literally make the discs impossible to remove without scuffing them and making them unplayable. Honestly, any prestige set like this should hold the discs in a “jewel”-type design, elevating the discs from the backing to prevent scuffing. There’s SO much free unused space in the box, they could have easily done so. It’s just cheap to use an “envelope” format, and the particular design of this release feels cheaper and more damaging than the disc storage on the previous two TP releases. It’s an insult to fans.

I agree that the outer box and the diecast are cool.
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Postby REdKing » Wed Dec 11, 2019 8:49 am

I was watching the 4k UHD International Pilot last night, looked gorgeous.
Unfortunately, it has a glitch in the hospital basement scene, when Mike feels ghost-limb pains following the shooting of BOB. It gets glitches until it freezes up and will not play straight into the Red Room scene.
I rechecked my software (playing it on an XBox One S), uninstalled and reinstalled the Blu-ray app. It plays perfectly every time, until that one scene.
I will be curious if others experience this same defect across discs. I have ordered a second to test before I send this one back to Amazon to compensate the second.
If it is a standardized defect across discs, even a selection of them, I would hope CBS Home Entertainment would issue corrected replacements, like Shout! Factory did for Wild at Heart.
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Postby Piers » Wed Dec 11, 2019 12:05 pm

Mr. Reindeer wrote:
Not to toot my own horn, but as I expected, there are the ten discs from The Entire Mystery and the eight discs from A Limited Event Series, exactly as they were (including the BTS features with the Beymer docs, and the aggravating Wim Wenders imitator). There are also two additional discs, and those include additional BTS features for all eighteen Parts, of 20+ minutes in length each, which upon a cursory examination are ENTIRELY footage NOT previously included on the earlier release. This is incredible, and I can’t wait to dive into it.



Are you sure the 18 BTS is entirely new footage? Then the information given on the WTTP Website would be wrong. They state a „majority of this footage was not shown in the 10 films done by Jason S.“ They list bonus material on the two new bonus discs of 10 h 32 min. and only six hours of this as new compared to previous sets. This would mean ~ 4 hours would be a duplication of bonus material, which I assumed would have been from the Jason S. films.
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Postby Mr. Reindeer » Wed Dec 11, 2019 12:11 pm

Piers wrote:
Mr. Reindeer wrote:
Not to toot my own horn, but as I expected, there are the ten discs from The Entire Mystery and the eight discs from A Limited Event Series, exactly as they were (including the BTS features with the Beymer docs, and the aggravating Wim Wenders imitator). There are also two additional discs, and those include additional BTS features for all eighteen Parts, of 20+ minutes in length each, which upon a cursory examination are ENTIRELY footage NOT previously included on the earlier release. This is incredible, and I can’t wait to dive into it.



Are you sure the 18 BTS is entirely new footage? Then the information given on the WTTP Website would be wrong. They state a „majority of this footage was not shown in the 10 films done by Jason S.“ They list bonus material on the two new bonus discs of 10 h 32 min. and only six hours of this as new compared to previous sets. This would mean ~ 4 hours would be a duplication of bonus material, which I assumed would have been from the Jason S. films.


No, I’m not certain. I just scanned through of a couple of them on fast-forward and didn’t recognize any overlap.
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Postby AXX°N N. » Wed Dec 11, 2019 4:17 pm

Mr. Reindeer wrote:But maintaining the integrity of the discs themselves is my biggest priority, and it’s always frustrating when I have to make a choice between transporting the discs to jewel cases vs. just storing them in the package they were actually intended to be stored/displayed in. I don’t understand how in this day and age, DVD/Blu Ray manufacturers haven’t managed to weed out the packaging designs that are damaging to playback. Like, that should be first-day stuff. How does this kind of thing get to market? The absolute worst was the complete Mad Men box set, which is beautifully designed except that the excessively tight disc pockets literally make the discs impossible to remove without scuffing them and making them unplayable. Honestly, any prestige set like this should hold the discs in a “jewel”-type design, elevating the discs from the backing to prevent scuffing. There’s SO much free unused space in the box, they could have easily done so. It’s just cheap to use an “envelope” format, and the particular design of this release feels cheaper and more damaging than the disc storage on the previous two TP releases. It’s an insult to fans.

Tell me about it! The design of the previous sets was at least consistent in terms of sleeve function. I think blurays are protected enough by their coating that cardboard in an ideal case is no issue. The sleeves on Z to A, the more I look at them, seem like they're meant to protect the surface labels, that the pockets are what make contact with eachother and the discs themselves don't rub up on each other. BUT the problem is that at least in my set, the pockets will range from loose to super tight, and some of the discs have trouble even fully going into the pocket, which means the top layer (actually more important to protect) are making contact with other discs and cardboard, but also that the bottom layer is rubbing on the cardboard edge constantly.

Disc integrity is a huge rabbit hole that still makes my skin crawl... make sure to store them in cases that don't 'outgass.' If you don't know, plastics in discs are susceptible to chemical change from other materials, including other plastics. In fact, some releases of things are doomed to rot in the original packaging they were put in, which were certain low-grade plastics that emitt fumes overtime and CHEMICALLY alter the discs... it's already becoming evident (in limited cases) but in 30 years or so, I can't help but feel the true outcomes will be unable to be reversed, and what releases will eat themselves alive will come as surprise. And the worst part is, if it's the original packaging, that would go for replacements you might try to find. Not to mention flaws in the discs themselves that, again, become evident only with a few decades. How truly reliable discs are is something time will tell. The actual long-term solution is to rip them and back them up into uncompressed ISOs, which is a huge pain I'm putting off until maybe half my discs are dyin' anyway. The packaging integrity, honestly, because the discs are gonna die anyway, perhaps no matter how hard I try, is something I just find easier not to think about, and hope it's all cool for another couple years before I back them up. Otherwise it's a descent into madness imo.

BUT I see the label says these are 'copy-protected'! :roll:
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Postby Mulberryspark » Wed Dec 11, 2019 4:30 pm

Welp, I caved. Told myself I wasn't gonna buy it cause I own the other box sets, but today, the urge was too strong. I hope Amazon is shipping these correctly, cause the whole fiasco with the Batman animated series box set made me swear off buying box sets from Amazon.
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Postby AXX°N N. » Wed Dec 11, 2019 4:33 pm

Mulberryspark wrote:Welp, I caved. Told myself I wasn't gonna buy it cause I own the other box sets, but today, the urge was too strong. I hope Amazon is shipping these correctly, cause the whole fiasco with the Batman animated series box set made me swear off buying box sets from Amazon.

I ordered mine from Amazon and they sent it UPS with good padding. No scuffs, butted corners, or any outward damage, and the inner box is protected by a plastic air pillow. Just my experience, but I've often fallen victim to dings so I was shocked. :)
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Postby bosguy1981 » Thu Dec 12, 2019 6:57 pm

Piers wrote:
Mr. Reindeer wrote:
Not to toot my own horn, but as I expected, there are the ten discs from The Entire Mystery and the eight discs from A Limited Event Series, exactly as they were (including the BTS features with the Beymer docs, and the aggravating Wim Wenders imitator). There are also two additional discs, and those include additional BTS features for all eighteen Parts, of 20+ minutes in length each, which upon a cursory examination are ENTIRELY footage NOT previously included on the earlier release. This is incredible, and I can’t wait to dive into it.



Are you sure the 18 BTS is entirely new footage? Then the information given on the WTTP Website would be wrong. They state a „majority of this footage was not shown in the 10 films done by Jason S.“ They list bonus material on the two new bonus discs of 10 h 32 min. and only six hours of this as new compared to previous sets. This would mean ~ 4 hours would be a duplication of bonus material, which I assumed would have been from the Jason S. films.


Just finished the 18 parts of Behind the Curtain. I watched them over the course of a day and a half, and they are such a treat. There is a little bit of repeat footage here and there over a few parts, but I highly doubt there's more than maybe 30 minutes in total that's repeat footage. And sometimes the repeat footage was filmed from a different camera person (Jason S must have had an assistant camera person operating a second rig). Usually, the repeat stuff is sprinkled throughout mostly-new material from a certain scene's filming. For example, there's a lot of new, unseen stuff from the Renzo arm-wrestling scene and the death of Chantal and Hutch, and here and there, you'll notice parts of it were already seen in "Impressions" by Jason S. But really most of it all seemed new to me. Just maybe tiny slivers here and there that were also excerpted on "Impressions."

And most of what's on the 10-part "Impressions" series is NOT duplicated here, so you'll want to have and see both.

Oh and has anybody else told y'all -- each behind-the-scenes segment of filming that's shown in each Behind the Curtain segment includes the FILMING DATE of the scenes!! So if you want to make a Twin Peaks The Return filming date diary, these 18 parts will be very helpful to you. I only noticed one of them that must have been a goof -- the "Let's Rock" scene with Cole, Diane, Tammy, and Albert is dated September 23, 2015 and I'm almost positive that wasn't shot until they were in L.A. much later. People who know the schedule better might be able to tell you if it all seems accurate. But the details are provided for each scene!!

The makers of "Behind the Red Curtain" only made one chronological goof in the entire 18 part series -- the "What Story is that, Charlie?" scene with Audrey & Charlie is accidentally put in the Part 15 segment of Behind the Curtain instead of 13.

I still have the Kyle and Sheryl Lee interview and the Roadhouse performances to get to. Looking forward to them!
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Postby Mr. Reindeer » Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:20 pm

bosguy1981 wrote:Oh and has anybody else told y'all -- each behind-the-scenes segment of filming that's shown in each Behind the Curtain segment includes the FILMING DATE of the scenes!! So if you want to make a Twin Peaks The Return filming date diary, these 18 parts will be very helpful to you. I only noticed one of them that must have been a goof -- the "Let's Rock" scene with Cole, Diane, Tammy, and Albert is dated September 23, 2015 and I'm almost positive that wasn't shot until they were in L.A. much later. People who know the schedule better might be able to tell you if it all seems accurate. But the details are provided for each scene!!



That’s super cool. I don’t have much free time this weekend, sadly, but I can’t wait to dig into this. The “Let’s rock” scene was shot at the Los Angeles Athletic Club, so that date definitely seems wrong: https://www.twinpeaksblog.com/2018/12/1 ... th-dakota/

BTW, that blog is an amazing location guide for the new series. It reveals that Jason S., in addition to chronicling the shoot, also contributed what amounts to second-unit work for the show itself, with some establishing shots he actually shot in South Dakota that were in the show.
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Postby Mulberryspark » Thu Dec 12, 2019 9:52 pm

Testing the 4k disc for glitches is gonna be a pain. I don't have a 4k player. Might have to find a place to rent one, or just buy one. I have a 4k tv.
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Mulberryspark wrote:Welp, I caved. Told myself I wasn't gonna buy it cause I own the other box sets, but today, the urge was too strong. I hope Amazon is shipping these correctly, cause the whole fiasco with the Batman animated series box set made me swear off buying box sets from Amazon.

I ordered mine from Amazon and they sent it UPS with good padding. No scuffs, butted corners, or any outward damage, and the inner box is protected by a plastic air pillow. Just my experience, but I've often fallen victim to dings so I was shocked. :)

Mine is coming through USPS, so fingers crossed...
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Postby vicksvapor77 » Fri Dec 13, 2019 10:08 am

bosguy1981 wrote:I only noticed one of them that must have been a goof -- the "Let's Rock" scene with Cole, Diane, Tammy, and Albert is dated September 23, 2015 and I'm almost positive that wasn't shot until they were in L.A. much later. People who know the schedule better might be able to tell you if it all seems accurate. But the details are provided for each scene!!

The makers of "Behind the Red Curtain" only made one chronological goof in the entire 18 part series -- the "What Story is that, Charlie?" scene with Audrey & Charlie is accidentally put in the Part 15 segment of Behind the Curtain instead of 13.


Yes, that is definitely wrong! Haha. That scene was filmed on November 19, 2015.

I thought it was footage of Audrey choking Charlie? Because that scene was definitely in Part 15.
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Postby vicksvapor77 » Fri Dec 13, 2019 10:09 am

Mulberryspark wrote:Mine is coming through USPS, so fingers crossed...


I wonder, does it coming from UPS vs. USPS depend on what shipping speed was chosen perhaps?

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