Re: Season 4? Or is it over after this?
Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:47 am
Just to be pedantic, did S Sutherland say "Everything was used" or "everything was used for season 3"?
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Lynch has historically been very much inclined to release deleted scenes for his films whenever feasible, in several cases going to great lengths to locate and restore material. Barring some conspiracy about a top-secret S4, which I don’t buy, it would be out of character for Lynch to sit on deleted scenes from TP:TR, particularly given how transparent and generous he’s been with behind the scenes footage. I just think there really isn’t much that was unused.Rainwater wrote:I don't see why it's a natural assumption that he'd want to release them.
Have we ever actually received ACTUAL confirmation that the series was truly originally supposed to be 9 hours? This is still a major gray area as far as I know. Some have speculated (rightly, imo) that part of the dispute was over time because Showtime couldn't understand how 15 pages of script could occasionally turn out to be 60 minutes of film, and that Lynch wanted that freedom to pace the thing how he wanted, to write more as he went, and to determine the length in the editing room. That sweeping scene, for example, is not just "oh I shot this and I have the time to include it!" to me, but actually integral to the way The Return is meant to operate, as important as any plot elements.Jonah wrote:But The Return was 18 hours, originally supposed to be 9. You don't get the feeling much was held back. There could definitely be some additional scenes/footage, maybe even a couple of hours, as with FWWM and Inland Empire. I don't think that much could exist either, but it's possible. But that would be the most, I think. I highly doubt enough footage for a whole additional season or mini-season exists. There simply wasn't enough time to shoot it.
I actually see this in the exact same yet somewhat opposite/more optimistic way. I think Lynch saying that and then allowing his candidness to be included on the Blu-ray actually bodes well for a future season. I've adopted others' opinions that it basically serves as leverage for a future season. IF I DO THIS, IT HAS TO BE THIS WAY. The word is already out there, and now that Lynch has produced an acclaimed product on time (after not working in the studio system for 15 years), Showtime would be more willing to give the man what he needs. As you said, the likelihood of that happening is up for debate, but I think the fact that Showtime knows that Lynch would want different working conditions bodes well for him actually getting them. That's what makes me most excited about the prospect for another season. Which, as I've said before, I suspect would be more concise and also more highly budgeted. I also think that the acclaim that Part 8 received could also help Showtime to fork over more cash, since that episode, by design/necessity, had the most incredible production value.bosguy1981 wrote:Remember Lynch exploding in the behind the scenes Season 3 footage: "I'm NOT WORKING this way again, EVER! THIS IS HORRIBLE!"
I think he meant it. I don't think Lynch would ever again spend years writing a script, only to then spend months (a couple years?) negotiating over money, money, money, then completely walk away from the project only to be lured back after Sabrina did the rest of the negotiating. And even then, he was still tied down to a tight production schedule that caused him grief, and caused him to specifically warn Sabrina and others that he'll never do it again. I don't think he said that because he DIDN'T mean it.
So really, I think coming back would require Showtime's people to go to Lynch and say "If we give you X amount of money and X weeks of filming, would you work with us again?" I doubt it's EVER done this way, (essentially a blank check for David Lynch to do... Something about Twin Peaks) and THAT is why it's highly unlikely more Twin Peaks will happen.
This was my first thought weeks ago, yes. But even if that is revealed I also think more yet is coming.Jerry Horne wrote:Since we're going down the rabbit hole...let's not forget that Lynch has already concieved a special feature (Between Two Worlds) that has actors in character. Maybe they filmed something new like that and wanted that location.
Sutherland indicated as such in my response to a question along those lines during her Reddit AMA. That is to say, the script didn't really expand, it was just a wild difference of opinion between Lynch/Showtime on how long the episodes would run based on the existing script. I can easily see how on the page, something like Part 8 would seem like 20 minutes of material rather than 50 minutes. Or most scenes in fact, if shot more conventionally would probably run half the length (think stuff that's very deliberately paced like the Glass Box sequence).LateReg wrote:Have we ever actually received ACTUAL confirmation that the series was truly originally supposed to be 9 hours? This is still a major gray area as far as I know. Some have speculated (rightly, imo) that part of the dispute was over time because Showtime couldn't understand how 15 pages of script could occasionally turn out to be 60 minutes of film, and that Lynch wanted that freedom to pace the thing how he wanted, to write more as he went, and to determine the length in the editing room. That sweeping scene, for example, is not just "oh I shot this and I have the time to include it!" to me, but actually integral to the way The Return is meant to operate, as important as any plot elements.Jonah wrote:But The Return was 18 hours, originally supposed to be 9. You don't get the feeling much was held back. There could definitely be some additional scenes/footage, maybe even a couple of hours, as with FWWM and Inland Empire. I don't think that much could exist either, but it's possible. But that would be the most, I think. I highly doubt enough footage for a whole additional season or mini-season exists. There simply wasn't enough time to shoot it.
That was my understanding too. Similar to the way AFI famously thought they were financing a short, not a feature, based on the length of the Eraserhead script (which was under 20 pages IIRC). We know TP:TR was delivered as one long script with no episode breaks, so the reader would presumably be left to draw his/her own conclusions re: length. Lynch’s budget was based on the reality of what he had in his head; Showtime’s was based on an assumption.LateReg wrote:Have we ever actually received ACTUAL confirmation that the series was truly originally supposed to be 9 hours? This is still a major gray area as far as I know. Some have speculated (rightly, imo) that part of the dispute was over time because Showtime couldn't understand how 15 pages of script could occasionally turn out to be 60 minutes of film, and that Lynch wanted that freedom to pace the thing how he wanted, to write more as he went, and to determine the length in the editing room. That sweeping scene, for example, is not just "oh I shot this and I have the time to include it!" to me, but actually integral to the way The Return is meant to operate, as important as any plot elements.Jonah wrote:But The Return was 18 hours, originally supposed to be 9. You don't get the feeling much was held back. There could definitely be some additional scenes/footage, maybe even a couple of hours, as with FWWM and Inland Empire. I don't think that much could exist either, but it's possible. But that would be the most, I think. I highly doubt enough footage for a whole additional season or mini-season exists. There simply wasn't enough time to shoot it.