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Major Briggs wrote:
underthefan wrote:The issue is not whether the article aligns with my views or not. In fact, I regard FWWM so highly that I doubt anyone's views would agree with mine, save for a few exceptions. The issue is lazy journalism, poor writing, and outright dismissal of the film without even critical evaluation. The same film by the way, that according to Lynch, will be very, very important for this revival. So I wonder who the ultimate joke will be on once it airs...

Like I said, I don't suffer fools gladly and I don't tolerate anyone's condescension, that's all. I expect people who are not bothered by it don't particularly care for FWWM or maybe even agree with it, and that's fine. But if the article said that season 1 was a tepid disaster not worth watching or being critically analyzed, maybe you would get where I'm coming from. And it bothers me that novice viewers will read that article and not even give the film a chance, and that's a shame, no matter your feelings about it. I said nothing at every groan and yawn-inducing bitching and moaning about Ontkean and people who still talk about his possible cameo to this day, so I just ask you allow me to express my honest opinion, the same way you do yours. If you don't like it, please feel free to block me. I won't take it personally.
Yeah, I get you, and I myself am a big fan of FWWM. But I think (please note that's my opinion) since it's an article of opinion, the writer can take the liberty to say that. We as fans may disagree, but dismiss a professional's work or calling it sloppy and bad journalism is a bit nonsense. The guy's not obliged to love the movie. And believe, there's a HUGE amount of people who don't love it. We tend to forget it sometimes cause we're here in our fan bubble, but the TP fandom is way bigger than us. And let's be honest, magazines aren't nearly as important in forming opinions as they once were. That said, we should just enjoy we are only little more than a month away from TP2017. Its already a miracle that Mr. Lynch let EW release those set pics. Cheers!
I could be wrong but I just don't feel that was merely the author's opinion in the film. It seemed like more of a description of the general way the film was received, so in that regard I would also expect the author to acknowledge that its reputation has grown. I think that's where most of us who find fault in that single sentence are coming from. The guy is totally entitled to his opinion; I just took it as him regurgitating outdated facts rather than giving his own opinion...though the two may intertwine in this case, which is fine. But in the context of the article it seemed less like opinion and more like an overview than an opinion piece. And I do think that kind of journalism is lazy and can be harmful to layman fans of Twin Peaks who read the article and then decide they don't need to go back to the film. I know some people who haven't seen it because of its initial reputation, for example.
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Hi. I'm a new member to this board since IMDb shut down. I guess this is the main or one of the main places to discuss this show(?). For those of us who don't yet have Showtime, are they doing any kind of promotion of this show yet aside from airing the original series?
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IcedOver wrote:Hi. I'm a new member to this board since IMDb shut down. I guess this is the main or one of the main places to discuss this show(?). For those of us who don't yet have Showtime, are they doing any kind of promotion of this show yet aside from airing the original series?
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krishnanspace wrote:
IcedOver wrote:Hi. I'm a new member to this board since IMDb shut down. I guess this is the main or one of the main places to discuss this show(?). For those of us who don't yet have Showtime, are they doing any kind of promotion of this show yet aside from airing the original series?
They have A YouTube Channel,Instagram,Twitter and Snapchat Accounts.You can check them out
I assume at some point Showtime may do a half hour special on the show, or something like that. They've got to educate people a bit on this show who may be unfamiliar.
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I just had a flash-forward of what it's going to be like when the first reviews appear.
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I'm not really expecting David himself to appear in any kind of promotional videos (unless he's appearing as Gordon Cole), however it would be quite nice if there was some sort of TV special with Mark Frost as a key interviewee, kind of like they did with the Gold Box documentaries.
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LateReg wrote: I could be wrong but I just don't feel that was merely the author's opinion in the film. It seemed like more of a description of the general way the film was received, so in that regard I would also expect the author to acknowledge that its reputation has grown. I think that's where most of us who find fault in that single sentence are coming from. The guy is totally entitled to his opinion; I just took it as him regurgitating outdated facts rather than giving his own opinion...though the two may intertwine in this case, which is fine. But in the context of the article it seemed less like opinion and more like an overview than an opinion piece. And I do think that kind of journalism is lazy and can be harmful to layman fans of Twin Peaks who read the article and then decide they don't need to go back to the film. I know some people who haven't seen it because of its initial reputation, for example.
Yeah, it's certainly just a regurgitated opinion. Most of these trashy articles simply recycle scuttlebutt that's knocking around on trashy websites or in other trashy magazines. I used to get annoyed by it, coming from a family of journalists (I'm the third generation,) but these days I realise there's simply too much so-called 'information' flying around out there and people don't really care anymore. I mean, look at all the abuse Daniel Craig got before Casino Royale was released: stories kicked around that Daniel Craig was incapable of driving a stick shift car and so on. Doubtless they'll show up again at some stage, unchecked. For most readers, the magazine has probably gone on the rubbish pile already and, if they read the article, they've probably forgotten it. And if people want to watch FWWM, they know where to find it! I don't get riled by these things anymore.
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On a side note, I can totally understand those who are not FWWM fans. It is very different from the show, and much more difficult and unpleasant to watch at times. And it is somewhat uneven and the two parts don't seem to connect as cohesively as in LH or MD. But I just get upset when critics can't find anything good in it, at least performances, music, cinematography, locations, something! The criticism almost always seems to be framed from the point of view of someone's inital expectations. I just hope that's not how people react to the new show.

And if I'm to be perfectly honest, I am very much hoping that the new show feel like FWWM more than anything else. But I won't be disappointed if that's not the case!
Exactly. I saw it on it's original release and I'm not a mega fan of FWWM I think because the tone was so different to the series. It jarrs me. I think of Twin Peaks as diluted David Lynch. It's diluted by Mark Frost and that sits well with me. I like the sense of normality Mark Frost brings to Lynch's work though I am always up for a Lynch diversion. But the performances, especially Sheryl Lee in FWWM, were immense and I even told her that when I met her. I said to her that she should have got more recognition, even awards, for her performance in that film. Great directors can draw performances like that out of their actors. The final scene in the red room with the angel never fails to move me, never. It's quite remarkable with no dialogue whatsoever. So I for one hope the new series is diluted Lynch. I have high hopes for it and look forward to the ride.
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Venus wrote:
underthefan wrote:
adl345 wrote:

On a side note, I can totally understand those who are not FWWM fans. It is very different from the show, and much more difficult and unpleasant to watch at times. And it is somewhat uneven and the two parts don't seem to connect as cohesively as in LH or MD. But I just get upset when critics can't find anything good in it, at least performances, music, cinematography, locations, something! The criticism almost always seems to be framed from the point of view of someone's inital expectations. I just hope that's not how people react to the new show.

And if I'm to be perfectly honest, I am very much hoping that the new show feel like FWWM more than anything else. But I won't be disappointed if that's not the case!
Exactly. I saw it on it's original release and I'm not a mega fan of FWWM I think because the tone was so different to the series. It jarrs me. I think of Twin Peaks as diluted David Lynch. It's diluted by Mark Frost and that sits well with me. I like the sense of normality Mark Frost brings to Lynch's work though I am always up for a Lynch diversion. But the performances, especially Sheryl Lee in FWWM, were immense and I even told her that when I met her. I said to her that she should have got more recognition, even awards, for her performance in that film. Great directors can draw performances like that out of their actors. The final scene in the red room with the angel never fails to move me, never. It's quite remarkable with no dialogue whatsoever. So I for one hope the new series is diluted Lynch. I have high hopes for it and look forward to the ride.
Yeah, I think that's a good way of putting it, TP is diluted Lynch (a screwdriver, if you will), and FWWM is undiluted Lynch (vodka, neat). Or maybe you could call it "pure heroin" version? :)

And I'm in total agreement about Sheryl and the final scene from the movie. Truth is, I probably wouldn't feel as strongly about FWWM if I wasn't so deeply, madly, truly in love with Sheryl's performance in it. Awesome you got to meet her! Did she say anything back to you after you told her that? Maybe not, because I know she is unfailingly humble and polite (or at least that's been my experience).
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After sending out an FWWM recommendation a month ago, now New York Times is also recommending the series, with a fairly objective evaluation. I take some comfort in this, first off because NYT was of course very disparaging of FWWM originally, but also because it's safe to say NYT readers would be more likely TP/FWWM viewers in the first place than EW ones.

https://www.nytimes.com/watching/recomm ... twin-peaks
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Venus wrote:
underthefan wrote:
Exactly. I saw it on it's original release and I'm not a mega fan of FWWM I think because the tone was so different to the series. It jarrs me. I think of Twin Peaks as diluted David Lynch. It's diluted by Mark Frost and that sits well with me. I like the sense of normality Mark Frost brings to Lynch's work though I am always up for a Lynch diversion. But the performances, especially Sheryl Lee in FWWM, were immense and I even told her that when I met her. I said to her that she should have got more recognition, even awards, for her performance in that film. Great directors can draw performances like that out of their actors. The final scene in the red room with the angel never fails to move me, never. It's quite remarkable with no dialogue whatsoever. So I for one hope the new series is diluted Lynch. I have high hopes for it and look forward to the ride.
Yeah, I think that's a good way of putting it, TP is diluted Lynch (a screwdriver, if you will), and FWWM is undiluted Lynch (vodka, neat). Or maybe you could call it "pure heroin" version? :)

And I'm in total agreement about Sheryl and the final scene from the movie. Truth is, I probably wouldn't feel as strongly about FWWM if I wasn't so deeply, madly, truly in love with Sheryl's performance in it. Awesome you got to meet her! Did she say anything back to you after you told her that? Maybe not, because I know she is unfailingly humble and polite (or at least that's been my experience).
She just thanked me and smiled from ear to ear. I was completely star struck meeting her. She was so pretty and seemed like such a nice lady. Definite charisma and star quality. I am glad I got the chance to say about her performance in FWWM. It is such a shame she didn't get more recognition for her work in it.
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Flatiron published 'The Secret History of Twin Peaks' by the way...
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Jerry Horne wrote:Flatiron published 'The Secret History of Twin Peaks' by the way...
If they want to announce a Secret History Vol. 2 that covers the gap and releases shortly after the series wraps up, I'd be pretty grateful. I'd like them to strike while the .. [flat]iron is hot, just because deep down I fear if Frost doesn't write it now, he never will (after all, what took him so long to write a Twin Peaks book in the first place, was Lynch vetoing them?)

(I should add, I didn't think Secret History was *great*, but it had it's moments, and I think my main issues with it were that it felt like it was trying really hard to avoid spoiling things for the new series, which probably tied his hands a bit in what kind of stuff to address .. especially given the liner notes were presumably written as near-present day, so, the moment you bring up an Annie or something, you can't really avoid explaining what happened)

Or I'd kill for a nice behind the scenes book, similar to those "Art of Mad Max" "Art of Force Awakens" style books.
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Jerry Horne wrote:Flatiron published 'The Secret History of Twin Peaks' by the way...
At first I thought it could be anything...then I noticed the owl at the end of the tweet...definitely something to do with Twin Peaks :D :D
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Rudagger wrote:Or I'd kill for a nice behind the scenes book, similar to those "Art of Mad Max" "Art of Force Awakens" style books.
Amen! Since the revival was announced, I've been thinking that the time is right for a true, authorized and comprehensive 'Making-of Twin Peaks' coffee-table book, much in the same style as J.W. Rinzler's magnificent "Making of Star Wars" books. It could be a complete study of the entire Twin Peaks experience, from the conception of the pilot, Season 1, Season 2, FWWM, the 25-year interlude when Twin Peaks's fandom grew (and its influence on 90s and 00s TV was evident), and finally, the revival. And if it is filled with rare or never-before-seen photos (Ben Horne killing Maddy, perhaps?), then that's even better.

Who knows - maybe it's still a possibility!
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