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Re: NO SPOILERS: Twin Peaks Season 3 on Showtime May 21st 2017

Postby mine » Wed Mar 01, 2017 9:36 am

Major Briggs wrote:
dronerstone wrote:If GoT takes the cake instead of Peaks next year around, I'll just take it as a sign of the times we live in. :)

I never understood the hype it had/has going. Medieval stuff isn't my cup of tea on the other hand. I strongly turn my back on it every time I stumble upon "Knights and princesses" fests or any other comparable undertaking... Yuck!

And with Got there are a crazy huge lot of people going "you should watch it, I'm sure you'll get hooked" to which I usually answer "have you seen Twin Peaks?" which usually ends in "no," me going "well then I'm definitely NOT watching GoT, f**k you! It seems you didn't get my point at all."


And pardon my french, but most people's viewing habits nowadays really grind my gears. :P


Therefore, I'd appreciate Peaks receiving awards and a positive acclaim, but seeing how scarcely recognized it usually is amongst non-Lynch-fans, I suppose Showtime are in for an adventure.

At least it'll make us geeks happy, but I expect nothing too big when it comes to praise from the outside world. ;)


TP and GoT are not going to compete on the same category. TP fits in the limited series slot

I'm not sure TP will be eligible as limited series.

This are the rules as of 2015 :

Definition of "Series" and "Limited Series": "Mini-Series" will be changed to "Limited Series" and defined as programs of two or more episodes with a total running time of at least 150 program minutes that tell a complete, non-recurring story, and do not have an ongoing storyline and/or main characters in subsequent seasons. "Comedy" and "Drama" Series will continue to be defined as programs with a minimum of six episodes which have an ongoing storyline, theme and main characters presented under the same title and with continuity of production supervision.  Any narrative series with at least two but no more than five episodes will be considered a "Limited Series."

Producers may formally petition for review by the aforementioned industry panel to change category eligibility.


I guess it'll depend on what they'll submit it as.
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Re: NO SPOILERS: Twin Peaks Season 3 on Showtime May 21st 2017

Postby haveimooed » Wed Mar 01, 2017 9:39 am

Rainwater wrote:What's with the disparity between the countdown here and the one at http://welcometotwinpeaks.com/countdown? And neither of them seem to be pointing at the actual airtime, am I missing something here?


For me the countdown here is pointing at 20:00 local time and that is nonsense since I am in Europe. Shouldn't it be fixed to the original broadcast timezone?
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Re: NO SPOILERS: Twin Peaks Season 3 on Showtime May 21st 2017

Postby indyit » Wed Mar 01, 2017 9:40 am

dkenny78 wrote:Regarding TWIN PEAKS's chance of winning Emmys, I agree, it's a bit premature to determine, but the playing field appears to be a bit more level in the Limited Series category this year. We're about three months away from the cutoff date for Emmy submission, and there's hardly anything that really jumps out.

FARGO will almost certainly be back, but the second season of AMERICAN CRIME STORY won't premiere until 2018, so that will be out of the running (though Ryan Murphy's new anthology series FEUD might take its place - buzz is already pretty good). What other miniseries/limited series have aired in the past 9 months? THE YOUNG POPE? AMERICAN HORROR STORY: ROANOKE? Nobody seemed to be over the moon about either of those. Am I missing anything?


TP will not run in this year's Emmy's if I've understood the rules correctly. So the eligibility period includes May 31. The hanging episode rule is what allows shows to enter the entire series to the earlier awards if it's aired enough in the eligibility period. The rules specifically for limited series says:

14d. Hanging episodes/parts eligibility for limited series: If the majority of the total running time of the episodes/parts of a limited series airs within the current eligibility year and has one or more episodes/parts that fall into the subsequent eligibility year, the "hanging episodes/parts" that are in a contiguous rollout on the same distribution platform join in eligibility the already-qualified-as-eligible episodes/parts of the limited series, as long as the complete limited series is broadcast prior to the return of the first round ballots.


I don't know when the first round ballots are done, but I will assume the entire show will have aired by then. The rules for series however specifies that:

for example, a comedy series that regularly airs on a weekly basis that has six episodes in the 2016 eligibility year and has two more episodes of its series season airing subsequently and on the same platform in the 2017 eligibility year would enter all eight episodes in 2016 eligibility. On the other hand, a comedyseries that has two episodes in the 2016 eligibility year and six more episodes airing subsequently on the same platform in the 2017 eligibility year would enter the eight episodes only in 2017. They would not be allowed to "sneak" the six episodes, e.g., post them on the internet or air them in an obscure time spot, in order to qualify the series in 2017.


This suggests that because TP will have only aired 3 - 4 (depending on how the rules see 3/4 being posted online) of 18 it won't be considered this year. If with limited series that paragraph doesn't apply (it only appears in the paragraph about series), then it's fine.
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Re: NO SPOILERS: Twin Peaks Season 3 on Showtime May 21st 2017

Postby The Jumping Man » Wed Mar 01, 2017 9:51 am

I'm in Central Time and the countdown here is right on the money for me.
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Re: NO SPOILERS: Twin Peaks Season 3 on Showtime May 21st 2017

Postby Jerry Horne » Wed Mar 01, 2017 12:47 pm

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Re: NO SPOILERS: Twin Peaks Season 3 on Showtime May 21st 2017

Postby Fashion Suicide » Wed Mar 01, 2017 12:49 pm

Jerry Horne wrote:


Just noticed that too. Geez Louise, they are almost promoting the old series more than the new.... Anyway, anything pumps up the excitement for me these days
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Postby Panapaok » Wed Mar 01, 2017 1:08 pm

Jerry Horne wrote:

Oh come on.
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Re: NO SPOILERS: Twin Peaks Season 3 on Showtime May 21st 2017

Postby Pöllö » Wed Mar 01, 2017 1:14 pm

Ugh. I thought it was a new teaser.
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Re: NO SPOILERS: Twin Peaks Season 3 on Showtime May 21st 2017

Postby ForKeeps » Wed Mar 01, 2017 2:27 pm

Fashion Suicide wrote:
Jerry Horne wrote:


Just noticed that too. Geez Louise, they are almost promoting the old series more than the new.... Anyway, anything pumps up the excitement for me these days


Make sense, IMO. The reality is you sorta have to know the original series to watch the new one, or at least know the main beats. Showtime's goal right now should be to get as many people as possible to become Twin Peaks fans before the new series airs. And when it does start they'll promote the hell out of it.
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Re: NO SPOILERS: Twin Peaks Season 3 on Showtime May 21st 2017

Postby ForKeeps » Wed Mar 01, 2017 2:33 pm

mine wrote:I'm not sure TP will be eligible as limited series.

This are the rules as of 2015 :

Definition of "Series" and "Limited Series": "Mini-Series" will be changed to "Limited Series" and defined as programs of two or more episodes with a total running time of at least 150 program minutes that tell a complete, non-recurring story, and do not have an ongoing storyline and/or main characters in subsequent seasons. "Comedy" and "Drama" Series will continue to be defined as programs with a minimum of six episodes which have an ongoing storyline, theme and main characters presented under the same title and with continuity of production supervision.  Any narrative series with at least two but no more than five episodes will be considered a "Limited Series."

Producers may formally petition for review by the aforementioned industry panel to change category eligibility.


I guess it'll depend on what they'll submit it as.



"programs of two or more episodes with a total running time of at least 150 program minutes that tell a complete, non-recurring story, and do not have an ongoing storyline and/or main characters in subsequent seasons."

How does that not apply to TP?
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Re: NO SPOILERS: Twin Peaks Season 3 on Showtime May 21st 2017

Postby Gabriel » Wed Mar 01, 2017 3:01 pm

ForKeeps wrote:"programs of two or more episodes with a total running time of at least 150 program minutes that tell a complete, non-recurring story, and do not have an ongoing storyline and/or main characters in subsequent seasons."

How does that not apply to TP?


Well, if it does well, Showtime might ask for another season... ;)
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Re: NO SPOILERS: Twin Peaks Season 3 on Showtime May 21st 2017

Postby laughingpinecone » Wed Mar 01, 2017 3:11 pm

So now that they are calling it a limited event on posters and YouTube video descriptions alike, does it officially mean that even if they decide to do more Peaks, this story is complete and the current main characters have had their fill?

Another question - do you think (or do you know for a fact, considering this board's resources :mrgreen: ) that Lynch and Frost are greenlighting Showtime's posters and trailers for the old series, or are they only involved with the s3 teasers, or...?
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Re: NO SPOILERS: Twin Peaks Season 3 on Showtime May 21st 2017

Postby mine » Wed Mar 01, 2017 3:22 pm

ForKeeps wrote:
mine wrote:I'm not sure TP will be eligible as limited series.

This are the rules as of 2015 :

Definition of "Series" and "Limited Series": "Mini-Series" will be changed to "Limited Series" and defined as programs of two or more episodes with a total running time of at least 150 program minutes that tell a complete, non-recurring story, and do not have an ongoing storyline and/or main characters in subsequent seasons. "Comedy" and "Drama" Series will continue to be defined as programs with a minimum of six episodes which have an ongoing storyline, theme and main characters presented under the same title and with continuity of production supervision.  Any narrative series with at least two but no more than five episodes will be considered a "Limited Series."

Producers may formally petition for review by the aforementioned industry panel to change category eligibility.


I guess it'll depend on what they'll submit it as.



"programs of two or more episodes with a total running time of at least 150 program minutes that tell a complete, non-recurring story, and do not have an ongoing storyline and/or main characters in subsequent seasons."

How does that not apply to TP?

It's a continuation of the original one way or the other so it depends whether the new season will count as a subsequent season to the first 2, the characters and storylines certainly are ongoing and recurring. It's longer than 5 episodes so it's not guaranteed to fall under the limited definition.
The way I understand it it could fall under either category, but fits in drama very comfortably while it bends the rules of limited a little.
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Re: NO SPOILERS: Twin Peaks Season 3 on Showtime May 21st 2017

Postby Snailhead » Wed Mar 01, 2017 3:24 pm

I'm not sure how I would feel about another season after S3.
HOWEVER - what I would be delighted with would be something else in the vein of FWWM, as a standalone 1.5 hour film with a smaller cast and someone in the protagonist role who was previously a smaller character with a big presence (and no Mark Frost - I love his work with David but unbridled Lynch is fun too.)
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Re: NO SPOILERS: Twin Peaks Season 3 on Showtime May 21st 2017

Postby LateReg » Wed Mar 01, 2017 5:05 pm

mine wrote:
ForKeeps wrote:
mine wrote:I'm not sure TP will be eligible as limited series.

This are the rules as of 2015 :



I guess it'll depend on what they'll submit it as.



"programs of two or more episodes with a total running time of at least 150 program minutes that tell a complete, non-recurring story, and do not have an ongoing storyline and/or main characters in subsequent seasons."

How does that not apply to TP?

It's a continuation of the original one way or the other so it depends whether the new season will count as a subsequent season to the first 2, the characters and storylines certainly are ongoing and recurring. It's longer than 5 episodes so it's not guaranteed to fall under the limited definition.
The way I understand it it could fall under either category, but fits in drama very comfortably while it bends the rules of limited a little.


Maybe I'm missing something but what does it being longer than 5 episodes have to do with anything? It can be 100 episodes as long as its one season and it would still be a limited series just as long as it has a self-contained story with no planned further seasons.

The one single criterion that might make it ineligible for limited series status is the fact that two seasons came before it. (It says that THIS season can't have subsequent seasons, not specifically that there can't have been any previous seasons before this one, so that's a gray area, I suppose.) But I think the first two seasons were so long ago that this isn't going to be considered season 3, so much as a one-time return to the world of Twin Peaks with its own self-contained story. I think it will fit in the limited series since no further seasons are planned and this is a self-contained story.

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