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Thanks Vicksvapor!

Soolsma wrote:Thanks Vicksvapor!

No problem, thank you!

vicksvapor77 wrote:Most of TMFAP scenes went to Phillip Gerard. I think I had mentioned this a few times in the past but I'm glad this confirms it for anyone skeptical of a random person on a message board, haha.

I can't recall any of your revelations being ill-informed or intentionally misleading.

Also being familiar with (and speaking to) the behind the scenes struggles with Little Mike, I share your sense of vindication that comes with this script screenshot, while also being frustratingly reminded of what could have been if the fella had just accepted any the help offered him and stayed on his meds. Meh.

-Mordeen

Now I am curious what the original plans were for Philip Gerard -- maybe he was only supposed to appear at the end of ep. 17, where he recites his poem and guides Cooper to Philip Jeffries?

Cappy wrote:Now I am curious what the original plans were for Philip Gerard -- maybe he was only supposed to appear at the end of ep. 17, where he recites his poem and guides Cooper to Philip Jeffries?

I was actually thinking the same thing.

That's what I've thought for a while. Just a big reveal of MIKE with the poem, and then leading Coop to Jeffries.

Cappy wrote:Now I am curious what the original plans were for Philip Gerard -- maybe he was only supposed to appear at the end of ep. 17, where he recites his poem and guides Cooper to Philip Jeffries?

Bingo. That is correct, those couple of scenes.

Again, the idea of LMfAP and Mike/PMG simply rereading old lines / recreating old scenes seems way too fan service-y to me. If that was indeed the original plan, I’m glad external circumstances caused Lynch to have to adapt. What we got was much more interesting.

I think maybe the original idea was an unnerving symmetry. This is done also in The Missing Pieces - the trio of scenes where LMFAP repeats the line of returning home.

But I'm glad we got what we did, too. Mike's repetition of his Fire Walk With Me poem is, and this is the real risk of the idea of repeating, intentional or otherwise, just not at all as effective as the original reading.

AXX°N N. wrote:I think maybe the original idea was an unnerving symmetry. This is done also in The Missing Pieces - the trio of scenes where LMFAP repeats the line of returning home.

But I'm glad we got what we did, too. Mike's repetition of his Fire Walk With Me poem is, and this is the real risk of the idea of repeating, intentional or otherwise, just not at all as effective as the original reading.

Yeah I got a similar impression -- the repetition of the Lodge dialogue was primarily to further the notion that time is looping there. I personally didn't get a fan service vibe from it, but I wouldn't fault anyone who took it that way.

But yeah, I will say that Mike's repetition of the poem in part 17 isn't as chilling as in the original series. In general Al Strobel's performance in S3 lacks the intensity that he brought to the role(s) in the original run. Instead he seems to be mimicking Michael J. Anderson's somewhat relaxed demeanor as The Man From Another Place, albeit with a perpetually cross facial expression.

But that weird strobe effect on his smiling face in part 17 was very unnerving. I've wondered how that sequence might feel with Joan Chen making a surprise appearance and delivering Cooper to Phillip Jeffries, but I do like how Cooper finding a poetry reading MIKE in a basement in 2015 makes his initial dream seem all the more prescient.

Mr. Reindeer wrote:Again, the idea of LMfAP and Mike/PMG simply rereading old lines / recreating old scenes seems way too fan service-y to me. If that was indeed the original plan, I’m glad external circumstances caused Lynch to have to adapt. What we got was much more interesting.

Well since TMFAP would've been in most of Gerard's scenes, his role certainly wouldn't have been repetitive, as there was a lot of new material there for that character, which later became Gerard. The original couple of scenes written for Gerard do give a similar vibe of Audrey or Donna's original stories, which feel a bit "tacked on," as I believe Sherilyn complained about at one point.

I think it's a bit bizarre that he is referred to as "Philip Gerard", when that was clearly just a host name (the original series/FWWM are confused about this as well, so I guess it's not a surprise), it would be like calling Bob "Leland Palmer".

4815162342 wrote:I think it's a bit bizarre that he is referred to as "Philip Gerard", when that was clearly just a host name (the original series/FWWM are confused about this as well, so I guess it's not a surprise), it would be like calling Bob "Leland Palmer".

Right, but Al Strobel plays the host/Gerard. Arguably, we’ve never seen the true Mike (or Mike is “the Arm”). So it makes sense to call him Gerard IMO because that’s who he looks like. I’ve even speculated that the character in TR is not Mike at all but the mortal Gerard, having passed over into the Lodge due to his links to it. He behaves much more benevolently than the Mike of the original show and especially FWWM.

vicksvapor77 wrote:Most of TMFAP scenes went to Phillip Gerard. I think I had mentioned this a few times in the past but I'm glad this confirms it for anyone skeptical of a random person on a message board, haha.

When we see the image of the red room floor and curtains floating above the winning slot machines inside the Silver Mustang Casino. I cant help but think originally, the plan was to have a dancing LMFAP floating above those slot machines. Guiding Coop/Dougie to the winning machines.

I also love the EOTA. I would have liked to see more of that tree breaking through into the Dougieverse, guiding him. Much in the way Mike operated.

Mr. Reindeer wrote:Again, the idea of LMfAP and Mike/PMG simply rereading old lines / recreating old scenes seems way too fan service-y to me. If that was indeed the original plan, I’m glad external circumstances caused Lynch to have to adapt. What we got was much more interesting.

I'm all about symmetry, but I agree with this. However, I'm sure the scene in question as filmed with LMFAP would have felt much the same as what we got with Gerard, which itself has this uneasy, return to the lodge feeling and therefore might not have felt strictly fan-servicey, but eerie, purposeful, etc. Then again, I'd rather have the EOTA, which we wouldn't have gotten otherwise. So, yeah. I like it how it is given the either/or.

What I do like the idea of, however, is not seeing Gerard until Part 17 when he recites the poem. That would have really been something, I think.