Re: General Discussion on Season 3 (All Opinions Welcome)
Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 3:50 am
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I had a plan of doing this, but since the Twin Peaks scenes are just random bits without any plot, it's not worth the effort.Jonah wrote:And have any fanedits appeared yet, cutting out most of the scenes set in other locations, and only keeping Twin Peaks scenes and Red Room scenes in the cut? I figured something like this would have appeared by now, given how many people were disappointed in The Return.
Woah. I had never thought of that before. Obviously, I had frequently thought about the use of "My Prayer" and what it may signal thematically and narratively in the present moment, but never that it was playing in order to provide a direct link to the plot taking place in the past. If that's the purpose of their sex, and it's not to further cross over or lure Judy into that world or anything like that, then what is the actual purpose? To allow what exactly to happen and why? (Regarding the portal, the woodsman, the frogmoth, the young girl, etc.) This is a very interesting angle, and I don't often get excited about "figuring it out" when it comes to plot.eyeboogers wrote: About the timing of that sex scene, I think the biggest clue is the music. "My Prayer" appears twice, during the sex magicks scene and during the Gotta light sequence when the frogmoth takes residence in Sarah. So my best guess is that Linda and Richard open up the portal that allows the woodsman to appear and facilitate the frogmoth business.
Yes, definitely you are on the right track. To the point that I am not sure whether or not that (Coop/Richard) is Jack Parsons (since Diane is dressed exactly like Marjorie Cameron).Rainwater wrote:Sounds like Cooper's pulling a Jack Parsons there. And that, I think, sounds like something Frost would write.
I don't have his books, but doesn't he explicitly make a Whore of Babylon connection somewhere?
Bumping what I asked above. If the point of "My Prayer" playing is to link Cooper/Diane's sex magick ritual to the plot-specific events of 1956, what exactly are they trying to achieve? By opening the portal that allows the Woodsmen to enter, causing young (Sarah) to fall asleep, causing the frogmoth to enter into her, etc. What is their goal in doing that? What does that do? Why do the Woodsmen need to do that chant that allows the frogmoth to climb into the girl if that is Cooper's intention? I'm genuinely interested in this.eyeboogers wrote:Yes, definitely you are on the right track. To the point that I am not sure whether or not that (Coop/Richard) is Jack Parsons (since Diane is dressed exactly like Marjorie Cameron).Rainwater wrote:Sounds like Cooper's pulling a Jack Parsons there. And that, I think, sounds like something Frost would write.
I don't have his books, but doesn't he explicitly make a Whore of Babylon connection somewhere?
At one point earlier this year, I remembered that part and I was asking myself if perhaps, as crazy as it sounds, it was Richard and Linda who are Carrie's parents. It was Cooper and Diane (not Richard and Linda I presume), who took the daytime trip down south, and then Richard and Carrie that took the nocturnal trip back, in the opposite direction.LateReg wrote: Bumping what I asked above. If the point of "My Prayer" playing is to link Cooper/Diane's sex magick ritual to the plot-specific events of 1956, what exactly are they trying to achieve? By opening the portal that allows the Woodsmen to enter, causing young (Sarah) to fall asleep, causing the frogmoth to enter into her, etc. What is their goal in doing that? What does that do? Why do the Woodsmen need to do that chant that allows the frogmoth to climb into the girl if that is Cooper's intention? I'm genuinely interested in this.
I mean...it depends how you look at this. From my perspective, and from the perspective of year-end list critics (both TV and Film) and the various droves across the internet who think most highly of it, The Return stands completely alone in the current revival trend. High above every other thing, a thing of vision in a landscape of normalcy and fan service. I keep telling everyone that I'm surprised that it's on this site that it gets the least hyperbolic love. It's an actual masterpiece that simultaneously subverted every expectation. It was enabled by the age of reboots, but proceeded to tear down the very notion of the typical reboot in the process (nothing else has addressed our nostalgic need for the reboot), while bridging the gap of all television it inspired between its original airing in 1990 and pushing the medium forward again in 2017. (I would inaccurately say it killed the medium, the omega to the original series' alpha, because it exposed the redundant nature of nearly all prestige TV, and made much of it less interesting for me to watch.) No 2010s reboot has remotely operated like it, including Deadwood's movie, which, for as rich and respected as it is, lasts just two hours and engages in a fair bit of fan service and is content on fulfilling expectations, providing what most would refer to as a proper send-off for the characters. I don't see any point in toning down this kind of hyperbole. We just (2 whole years ago) witnessed something entirely unprecedented, the likes of which will probably never be seen again. The flaws, such as they are depending on the viewer, don't matter; it's a pure vision and that's what counts. And that's not even getting into the multitudes of themes and the depths in which they are explored. I expect to see this opinion borne out in its subsequent appreciation decades from now. The issue at this juncture is that it's mostly film fans who are going to see it this way, while it will seem to linger below a lot of TV series because it lasted only one season and succeeded largely because of how it differentiated itself from everything TV lovers usually love about their medium. That's partially why it proved divisive to TV watchers while film fans embraced its standalone nature.mtwentz wrote: -Twin Peaks: The Return, stacks up favorably against most reboots/continuations/reunions. It would be interesting to get a list of movies or shows that have come back after 10 years or more, and see how they are rated by critics and fans. I am not saying The Return would be the highest rated, but I'll bet it would be in the top 10% or so.
Are there many great examples of a show coming back from a 10 year or more hiatus and be as thought provoking at The Return? Deadwood might be an example.
I have no doubt in my mind that Frost has read this book, as it is the best biographical summation of the life and lure of Jack Parsons.Enochian is thus a language unto itself, with its own grammar and syntax. It is very succinct and has an odd relationship to English that it does not have with other languages. One example of Enochian is the word "Babalon," meaning "harlot" in Enochian, as in the "Whore of Babylon."
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Along with the Calls were dictated instructions, such as when scrying or crystal-gazing the two were [Dee & Kelly to arrange a special cedar table, around the perimeter of which was inscribed in Enochian, "This is the place of the outpouring of forgotten treasure in the form of ecstasy. Only fire is substantial here. This is the way of Babalon and of the beast who is the first form. The eyes only need rest upon the name of any guardian and its representative will speedily be encountered." The whole thing is scrambled in the original, and the name "Babalon" is extremely so, in order to avoid summoning the Harlot. In addition, a special ring and robes had to be worn...
Yes! I've always felt this in my gut. But the Woodsman never take the orb out--instead, to me, the fact that shards of it after the punch float up/through the ceiling never felt to me like "yep, that's the end." So I think rather that when Mother vomits him up, it's almost like from incoherent form she's unifying him into one whole again, sort of like reverse vomiting.Isis Unveiled wrote:I happen to think that in Part 8 when the Fireman sends the Laura orb to Odessa that's actually the same moment she disappears from the Red Room, and from Cooper's grip, and every other time she is abruptly taken in the time continuum. Each time she disappears its the Fireman intervening and sending her to the pocket universe. And when the woodsman take the BOB orb from Mr C it is sent back to the Trinity explosion where he is conjured by The Mother in the form of ectoplasm.