Season 3 Timeline (SPOILERS)

[claaa7]

My gut tells me the opening Giant scene is a flash forward. Possibly to the finale.

this... i think that's why he is credited as "???", we are not supposed to know yet.

i also think Hawk at Glastonberry Grove is a flash forward that will get resolved later

[Hockey Mask]

My gut tells me the opening Giant scene is a flash forward. Possibly to the finale.

this... i think that's why he is credited as "???", we are not supposed to know yet.

i also think Hawk at Glastonberry Grove is a flash forward that will get resolved later

Interesting. So who could the Giant possibly be to not be credited?

[yaxomoxay]

My gut tells me the opening Giant scene is a flash forward. Possibly to the finale.

this... i think that's why he is credited as "???", we are not supposed to know yet.

i also think Hawk at Glastonberry Grove is a flash forward that will get resolved later

Interesting. So who could the Giant possibly be to not be credited?

More simply, we will know his name instead of being called "The Giant".



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[claaa7]

this... i think that's why he is credited as "???", we are not supposed to know yet.

i also think Hawk at Glastonberry Grove is a flash forward that will get resolved later

Interesting. So who could the Giant possibly be to not be credited?

More simply, we will know his name instead of being called "The Giant".

my impression is that he is a God like being.. a truly divine presence in The White Lodge, but things are so screwed up that the darkness are infiltrating even the White Lodge now ("it is in our house now...")

[claaa7]

what I'm really curious about is who "Richard and Linda" are.. that line's been stuck in my head for days now

[counterpaul]

Evidence points to The Return taking place in September of 2014.

This is all sound. However we have to explain this: (Tamara's afterword to her final report to Gordon Cole, August or early September 2016):

Oh, I'm definitely ignoring the dates (and pretty much everything) in TSHOTP. Dates in all the books are totally screwy. Nothing new there.

What seems possible is that the Twin Peaks threads are set in the past, in 2014, while the South Dakota and Nevada threads are all set in September 2016.

This is definitely possible, but until there's something in the show itself to support it, I'm not buying it. The whole 2003 thing for Las Vegas also seems completely out of left field to me. My gut tells me that all the storylines we're seeing (at least out in the world) are taking place around the same time and roughly in the order we are seeing them.

In fact, time seems extremely significant. "The stars turn and a time presents itself." These things are happening because the time has come for them to happen. That's what the show is telling us, anyway. At least so far.

Of course, I may totally end up eating my words! That's part of the fun!

But Lucy and Wally are headache inducing no matter what... forget about the fact Wally is 24 y.o.... Brando's birthday is on April 3rd. There is absolutely no way the baby Lucy was carrying in s2 could be born in early April.

Lucy having an extremely long pregnancy is a very Twin Peaks absurdity. It doesn't bother me in the least.

[Dom834]

Evidence points to The Return taking place in September of 2014.

This is all sound. However we have to explain this: (Tamara's afterword to her final report to Gordon Cole, August or early September 2016):

Oh, I'm definitely ignoring the dates (and pretty much everything) in TSHOTP. Dates in all the books are totally screwy. Nothing new there.

I find a bit baffling that you put on the same footing two off-shoots put together by Lynch's daughter and Frost's brother with a lot of creative freedom and minimal supervision (and a right retained by the series' creators to change anything those books said when writing the rest of the series) while the two creators were extremely busy developing the show, and a novel Frost himself conceived and wrote after after being immersed in the Twin Peaks universe and season 3 with David Lynch for nearly four years.

You must believe he's got Lucy's IQ at best if you think he set his FBI frame story that book ends the novel on the wrong dates. It's like THE thing he couldn't screw up. Frost isn't an imbecile either, he knew when he wrote his prologue/epilogue if those events were set before, after or during the series's time frame. He does refer to the previous events/dates related to the Cooper affair. 1989... "a crime or crimes in 1991" - unsolved, location and details classified. A crime scene from July 2016, location and details classified. He mentions Jeffries' reappearance seen in FWWM, and the fact he's not been seen or heard of since. Logically, some of the Cole/Tammy events should be in the book, if it was set after the series. It considers Cooper is still missing.

That leaves two main options: the series is set in 2016 a month after the end of the novel or the novel is set after the series' end and it's a FBI scam meant to cover up what will happen in the series. To be honest, I find it strange that Frost precisely ended the novel with Tammy Preston hoping she'd soon be allowed to learn more about the Cooper case soon, mere weeks before the current month the series events are sent on, but it wouldn't be in the same year. Unless he specifically chose to set the novel in August to mislead us to believe it leads straight into the start of the series, set on September. Well know, when more oddities between novel and new series surface.

I don't buy the whole Nevada arc is in 2003 either btw. By all evidence, Dougie, Doppelgänger, Cooper outside the Black Lodge are all synchronized, and so is the NYC story arc. I'm guessing the South Dakota arc is too.

I think the Twin Peaks arc is most likely in sync with the rest. However, there are all the references to "is this future or is this past?" - and one those occurs right after the scene with Hawk at the Grove, which along Wally being 24 could be a clue TP events are set in 2014. We'll see.

In fact, time seems extremely significant. "The stars turn and a time presents itself." These things are happening because the time has come for them to happen. That's what the show is telling us, anyway. At least so far.

And Frost puts a bunch of sayings by Carl Rodd in the book related to time. "There is only now." "What is, is. What was, was"....

Lucy having an extremely long pregnancy is a very Twin Peaks absurdity. It doesn't bother me in the least.

14+ months? I don't know what to make of that, even in Twin Peaks. But I wouldn't rule it out.

[counterpaul]

Oh, I'm definitely ignoring the dates (and pretty much everything) in TSHOTP. Dates in all the books are totally screwy. Nothing new there.

I find a bit baffling that you put on the same footing two off-shoots put together by Lynch's daughter and Frost's brother with a lot of creative freedom and minimal supervision (and a right retained by the series' creators to change anything those books said when writing the rest of the series) while the two creators were extremely busy developing the show, and a novel Frost himself conceived and wrote after after being immersed in the Twin Peaks universe and season 3 with David Lynch for nearly four years.

You must believe he's got Lucy's IQ at best if you think he set his FBI frame story that book ends the novel on the wrong dates. It's like THE thing he couldn't screw up.

Oh, I certainly wouldn't attribute it to a lack of intelligence. Perhaps he simply doesn't care. Or, maybe all will be clear when The Final Dossier comes out. Certainly TSHOTP is chock full of blatant contradictions to the show (stuff way more important than dates!). I don't know what Frost's endgame is, but I do not think it's accidental.

Suffice it to say, using TSHOTP as evidence for any theories having to do with the show seems like faulty methodology to me. For reasons currently unknown, Frost has made it abundantly clear that the show and TSHOTP are very different entities. Maybe there's a grand, unifying plan that will become clear when The Return completes and/or when The Final Dossier is released.

Until then, I'm just totally ignoring TSHOTP.

Lucy having an extremely long pregnancy is a very Twin Peaks absurdity. It doesn't bother me in the least.

14+ months? I don't know what to make of that, even in Twin Peaks. But I wouldn't rule it out.

Yep! I'd say Lucy probably got pregnant sometime in January '89 (she mentions not hearing from Dick for six weeks), so that's around 15 months!

I mean, either Wally was EXTREMELY pre-mature (April 3, 1989) or EXTREMELY late (April 3, 1990). Late seems slightly more likely. I can imagine this storyline in a hypothetical 1991-92 Season 3 (Lucy remaining pregnant for more than a year, Dr. Hayward shrugging his shoulders and saying that Lucy and the baby seem healthy but that he just doesn't seem to want to come out of there, Andy tending to Lucy's needs as she grows bigger and bigger) and it pleases me.

Imagine it. It's a very Twin Peaks story.

[sylvia_north]

Interesting. So who could the Giant possibly be to not be credited?

More simply, we will know his name instead of being called "The Giant".

my impression is that he is a God like being.. a truly divine presence in The White Lodge, but things are so screwed up that the darkness are infiltrating even the White Lodge now ("it is in our house now...")

Lemurian?

Longest pregnancy on record was 12 months in 1945 to a 25 yr old Los Angeles mom. Clearly Lucy had the Moonchild, and Marlon is some kind of leftover afterbirth.

[Hockey Mask]

Episode 5: Case files. (6/4)
Day 7 (cont.) September 23rd-Tuesday
Guys still surveilling house
Blackberry lady calls Buenos Aires
Autopsy
Bad coop sees Bob in mirror

Day 8 September 24th-Wednesday
Steven gets interviewed
Frank talks to Harry, Doris visits Frank
Dougie goes to work
House surveillance
Manager gets fired from casino
Dougie's car blows up
Jade mails back key
Shelly loans Becky money
Beck and Steven snort coke
Hawk and Andy go thru files
Jacoby/Dr. Amp does show, sells shovels
Colonel Davis sends Cindy to investigate Garland's prints in Buckhorn
Richard makes payment at the roadhouse, chokes Charlotte
Tammy researches Coops prints
Bad Coop places his one phone call to Buenos Aires

[counterpaul]

Episode 5: Case files. (6/4)
Day 7 (cont.) September 23rd-Tuesday
Guys still surveilling house
Blackberry lady calls Buenos Aires
Autopsy
Bad coop sees Bob in mirror

Day 8 September 24th-Wednesday
Steven gets interviewed
Frank talks to Harry, Doris visits Frank
Dougie goes to work
House surveillance
Manager gets fired from casino
Dougie's car blows up
Jade mails back key
Shelly loans Becky money
Beck and Steven snort coke
Hawk and Andy go thru files
Jacoby/Dr. Amp does show, sells shovels
Colonel Davis sends Cindy to investigate Garland's prints in Buckhorn
Richard makes payment at the roadhouse, chokes Charlotte
Tammy researches Coops prints
Bad Coop places his one phone call to Buenos Aires

This doesn't work. Clearly Coop's breakfast with the Joneses immediately precedes his day at work. I think all of Part 5 is a continuation of Day 7. We have yet to see Day 8.

Day 7 is a full day, to be sure, including Coop's breakfast, Gordon's interview with COOPER/discussion with Albert, the autopsy, Coop going to Dougie's workplace, the car blowing up at Rancho Rosa, Jade mailing the key, Tammy looking into COOPER and Coop's fingerprints, the casino business, the Pentagon business, all the prison business, and all the business in Twin Peaks.

The only scene that doesn't seem to fit is when the hitmen call the worrier. It takes place at night but it's stuck between two scenes that clearly take place on the same morning. I just think it's one of those things that happens sometimes when editing--it's not uncommon to shuffle scenes around a bit for rhythmic/dramatic reasons, even at the cost of causing little continuity blips. I think, timeline-wise, that scene probably takes place super late at night on day six, or pre-dawn on day seven (so, in chronological order, just after the Wally Brando scene).

I would place it pre-dawn on day 7 because she says the hit should have happened "yesterday." I would not place it on the evening of day 7 because, obviously, the car hasn't blown up yet.

By the way, I would NOT consider this evidence that the show is generally cut together non-chronologically or that different locations are set during different time periods. It's likely a simple matter of Lynch feeling like the business with the hitmen worked better as a way to open Part 5 than it did somewhere in the middle of Part 4. Rhythmic/tonal concerns generally trump minor continuity gaffes when editing--or at least they SHOULD (I speak as an editor with 20 years of experience).

[Hockey Mask]

Good catch.

[Hockey Mask]

Episode 3: Call for help. (5/21 & 5/28)
Day 6 September 22nd-Monday (Date according to arrest report)
Cooper in purple room
Evil Cooper gets in accident
Cooper switches with Dougie
Hitmen miss Dougie-Coop
Lady yells "119" Same as Day 8
Hawk, Andy & Lucy go thru files
Jacoby paints shovels
Dougie-Coop wins at slots
FBI meeting and learn Cooper is in South Dakota
The Roadhouse ("Mississippi" -The Cactus Blossoms)

[droolcup]

My gut tells me the opening Giant scene is a flash forward. Possibly to the finale.

this... i think that's why he is credited as "???", we are not supposed to know yet.

i also think Hawk at Glastonberry Grove is a flash forward that will get resolved later

I agree. I think the clip we saw of Hawk and the red drapes will happen during the events of episode 16 I think. The "once again your log and I are on the same page" means he has already found the 'something missing and it has to do with your heritage" in my opinion.

Likewise the floor where ??? and Cooper "listen to the sounds" is not the floor of the red room.

[mstevensmcs]

There is debate that it's possible that DougieCoop is existing in 2003, though I feel there is considerable evidence to the contrary.

I'm also of the opinion that The Las Vegas scene may be out of time with the rest of the show so far... though I have no evidence whatsoever. It's just a hunch. I'll probably be wrong.

If everything is happening in a sequence of time, then I'd assume that it'd have to be 3 days, but the sequence still doesn't work out with the Bang Bang Bar concert scenes... assuming they aren't putting on shows in the early morning.

There's been some discussion of the timeline over at welcometotwinpeaks as well-here's a screenshot I posted there showing the foreclosure/for sale signs in LV, lending some credence to the theory that DougieCoop exists in the period of the Sub-prime mortgage crisis which ranged 2007-2010. Every street Jade turns into has 4-5 houses sporting foreclosure/auction signs. I should also say that I've checked the registration tags on nearly every car in the LV scenes-they've been purposefully obscured to avoid disclosing what year it is......

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