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Re: Twin Peaks Return: The Profoundly Disappointed Support Group

Postby frankenhooker » Sun Jun 24, 2018 8:09 am

AnotherBlueRoseCase wrote:Lynch on Trump, after a year and a half of the presidency: "He could go down as one of the greatest presidents in history."

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No, further comment is indeed necessary as all you’ve done is pluck a headline from an interview with no context. I read the interview in The Guardian yesterday and not once does he endorse Trump, in fact he voted for Bernie Sanders in the primary and libertarian in the presidential election. I suggest you read the interview which I imagine is freely available via The Guardian’s website. For those interested this is what he said (from The Guardian ).

“He could go down as one of the greatest presidents in history because he has disrupted the thing so much. No one is able to counter this guy in an intelligent way.” While Trump may not be doing a good job himself, Lynch thinks, he is opening up a space where other outsiders might. “Our so-called leaders can’t take the country forward, can’t get anything done. Like children, they are. Trump has shown all this.”
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Re: Twin Peaks Return: The Profoundly Disappointed Support Group

Postby Mr. Strawberry » Sun Jun 24, 2018 8:39 am

The Twin Peaks forums feel like a calm zone where we can go to escape things such as the latest freak outs regarding current events. It's a kind of sanctuary that can shield one from hearing repetitive banter bouncing from the walls of an enormous echo chamber, just the same way that Twin Peaks itself is a vacation away from the all too familiar bullshit that a more demanding, modern and rigid society present.
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Re: Twin Peaks Return: The Profoundly Disappointed Support Group

Postby LateReg » Sun Jun 24, 2018 9:14 am

frankenhooker wrote:
AnotherBlueRoseCase wrote:Lynch on Trump, after a year and a half of the presidency: "He could go down as one of the greatest presidents in history."

No further comment necessary.



No, further comment is indeed necessary as all you’ve done is pluck a headline from an interview with no context. I read the interview in The Guardian yesterday and not once does he endorse Trump, in fact he voted for Bernie Sanders in the primary and libertarian in the presidential election. I suggest you read the interview which I imagine is freely available via The Guardian’s website. For those interested this is what he said (from The Guardian ).

“He could go down as one of the greatest presidents in history because he has disrupted the thing so much. No one is able to counter this guy in an intelligent way.” While Trump may not be doing a good job himself, Lynch thinks, he is opening up a space where other outsiders might. “Our so-called leaders can’t take the country forward, can’t get anything done. Like children, they are. Trump has shown all this.”


Yes, these headlines are atrocious clickbait. C'mon, BlueRose.
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Re: Twin Peaks Return: The Profoundly Disappointed Support Group

Postby AnotherBlueRoseCase » Sun Jun 24, 2018 1:47 pm

Mr Strawberry, I avoided commenting on Lynch's political thoughts because this is not the place to share my opinions about Donald Trump. Nevertheless, if you're implying that quote by the man who made The Return shouldn't have been posted here, then you're mistaken, plain and simple. David Lynch using those words about that man in mid-2018 could hardly be more relevant to many of the central discussions of this thread.

Now, if some TR fans squirm when they read those words, even a little, then that's all to the good, and perhaps a sign they're not a complete lost cause. But if that squirm then turns into Oh no, I don't want to see that -- take it away, then we're right back into the hysteria and la-la-la denial that has plagued this thread throughout. That, and the absolute refusal to remain on-topic and abide by the OP:

The title says it all. There's a lot of heated and interesting debate/discussion going on in the main Season 3 threads.This thread isn't meant for that. It is, as the title suggests, a thread in which the small minority of us who are experiencing feelings of extreme disappointment and even disillusionment can band together and rant/moan/complain to our heart's content without being told that we're not getting it... Oh and in case I didn't make it clear, this isn't the place for those of you besotted with the Return to come in and tell us why we're wrong. It's a safe space, so please show some R-E-S-P-E-C-T.


They've just had another warning from Jerry Horne to cut it out. Time after time after time after time they've been asked to stay on-topic, and time after time they've refused. One more go, then: this is not your thread. This is not a place where you get to police what we can and cannot say. Your views are utterly irrelevant to the purpose of this thread. You have abused the patience you've been shown and it's now time to stay away. At long last you seem to have some momentum on a general discussion thread, so there's no excuse for you to keep coming here attempting to boss us around.

Our opinions upset you. We get that. We've been getting it for a year. Ignoring the thread's purpose you've tried for a year to tell us where we're going wrong. You've failed miserably. Risibly, laughably, and in some cases degradingly. Give it up, folks. Nothing doing.

If you detect a little, um, frustration here, then good. It's been going on far too long. Behave yourselves and you'll see no more such frustration.

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Re: Twin Peaks Return: The Profoundly Disappointed Support Group

Postby LateReg » Sun Jun 24, 2018 2:10 pm

But as frankenhooker said, Lynch's comments are not what the simple headline makes them out to be. That's a fact. And I don't think Lynch's comment has any bearing on the quality of The Return, so it therefore has no business being central to this thread.
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Postby Mr. Strawberry » Sun Jun 24, 2018 6:14 pm

Have I bossed anyone around? This is really confusing to read because my recollection is that I've been polite and level headed with everyone on every topic. I also slammed the shit out of The Return when posting in this particular thread, and have never taken issue with others offering their praise or disdain for the show, nor taken anyone to task for the way they presented their feelings either.

Since hearing about Trump all day, every day, everywhere is the norm right now, I was simply holding out a little hope that the Twin Peaks forums would be free from that. It's all good man, if you feel it's relevant, go for it, I'm not telling anyone what to do. In my defense, I didn't issue any commands or even suggestions, just stated what I viewed the forum as:

"The Twin Peaks forums feel like a calm zone where we can go to escape things such as the latest freak outs regarding current events. It's a kind of sanctuary that can shield one from hearing repetitive banter bouncing from the walls of an enormous echo chamber, just the same way that Twin Peaks itself is a vacation away from the all too familiar bullshit that a more demanding, modern and rigid society present."
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Re: Twin Peaks Return: The Profoundly Disappointed Support Group

Postby douglasb » Sun Jun 24, 2018 11:49 pm

I am still processing S3 and I am still not sure how it affects my near-three decade fandom.

It's not like your favourite band got back together and made a crappy album. I could ignore S3 yet at the back of my mind will always be what happened next - knowing what happened with these characters or the absurdist expansion of the show's metaphysical universe.

I don't begrudge everyone who liked S3 but not being invited to the party is hard. It's like a light has gone out inside.
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Re: Twin Peaks Return: The Profoundly Disappointed Support Group

Postby Mr. Jackpots » Mon Jun 25, 2018 6:51 am

Lynch's suggestion that Trump will be remembered as one of the "greatest presidents" doesn't imply he will be remembered as the most loved presidents or anything to that affect.

Buddha, Hitler, Princess Diana, Genesis Khan, Jesus, Stalin, Ghandi.

They were all great in the sense they were influential. Not all of them will be remembered as positive forces on this world. But they are all remembered. They all accomplished grand things. For better or worse.

This is how I interpret his Trump comment. Just like his films, it's a provocative comment, and open for interpretation.
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Postby IcedOver » Mon Jun 25, 2018 9:56 am

I don't have an opinion on his statement about trump, which of course is being taken way out of context, but it's a bit disheartening to hear he voted for sanders, which he the interviewer seems to state as a fact and not open to interpretation. Doesn't make me lose any respect for him, but it's a little sad that he would vote for sanders.

It feels like he is doing a ton of self-promotion these days.
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Re: Twin Peaks Return: The Profoundly Disappointed Support Group

Postby AgentEcho » Mon Jun 25, 2018 9:57 pm

Is this the place to discuss this whole bruhaha? The no politics rule is tricky when the President himself tweets something about DKL's comment. I mean I don't know if the world of politics has ever ensnared anything related to the world of Twin Peaks or I suppose more specifically, David Lynch, like this. I've avoided this thread generally, with a few pop ins, because I'm not disappointed with S3 or much of anything to do with Lynch's film work. But hell, the Profoundly Disappointed Support Group for a time feels like a place where I belong. Is too much being made of this? Sure. But is David Lynch primarily the one responsible for too much being made of this? Absolutely.
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Re: Twin Peaks Return: The Profoundly Disappointed Support Group

Postby frankenhooker » Mon Jun 25, 2018 10:01 pm

Why is David Lynch to blame for people deciding not to actually read the interview and taking a single quote out of context ?

It seems to me that the people to blame are those who are propagating this without having any grasp of the facts.
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Postby AgentEcho » Mon Jun 25, 2018 10:13 pm

frankenhooker wrote:Why is David Lynch to blame for people deciding not to actually read the interview and taking a single quote out of context ?


Do you, or David Lynch, actually believe we live in a world where people read interviews and take everything in context? Did the world where people don't read interviews, take things out of context, and overreact appear out of thin air right before David Lynch dropped that quote into the world? I'm not giving David Lynch an excuse because we should be living in an idealistic world where that shit doesn't happen. We don't live in that world and no rational adult paying attention should delude themselves into believing we do. There was literally no possibility that this wouldn't happen by dropping that quote into the world. None.

I understand what DKL intended to express for what it's worth. There are thousands of permutations where that idea could be expressed where this wouldn't happen. He chose the one where it would. No yeah, I say he's the one responsible.
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Re: Twin Peaks Return: The Profoundly Disappointed Support Group

Postby frankenhooker » Mon Jun 25, 2018 10:21 pm

I believe people should read something before cherry picking a quote, to do otherwise highlights breathtaking ignorance.

I also find it absurd some people are blaming Lynch for answering an interviewers question open and honestly.

The only people to blame for this farce are those that have quoted out of context and those propagating it.

The interview is about four pages long, I suggest everyone reads it, not only to understand Lynch’s intent with THAT quote, but because it’s a great piece.
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Re: Twin Peaks Return: The Profoundly Disappointed Support Group

Postby AgentEcho » Mon Jun 25, 2018 10:32 pm

I believe people shouldn't steal. But I'm not going to leave my wallet on a bench, come back in an hour and expect to still find it there. Nor am I going to send all my money to someone I haven't meant who randomly emails me claiming to be a Nigerian prince. It takes about the same amount of naivety to grasp onto any hope that you can say something like that as a public figure and not have it taken out of context. Sorry. We just don't live in lala land.
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Re: Twin Peaks Return: The Profoundly Disappointed Support Group

Postby frankenhooker » Mon Jun 25, 2018 10:57 pm

Lynch probably doesn’t care...at all, whether idiots take one quote out of context. I may live in Lalaland ( I don’t, I’ve lived through more than most) but if you drop a wallet and someone steals it, you’ve been careless but the other person is to blame because, well, he’s a thief. If somebody defrauds you online, you’ve been an idiot, but the person to blame is the criminal. Obviously personal responsibility comes into, but ultimately the people that are dishonest are those that should have the finger pointed at them.

Lynch may have been careless, I believe he just doesn’t care, but the people to blame are the ones spouting uninformed nonsense.

I’m done here, firstly because I have to get to work, secondly because this has become a bit of witch hunt, not necessarily in here, but in general. The man didn’t, in any way, endorse Trump (although that’s his right), people, from both sides, are using an out of context quote to further their agenda. It’s dishonest and they’re to blame.

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